Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-5231983-20160804025654/@comment-24152851-20160810021406

Raised By Wolves wrote: Is it still subjective if everyone agrees to it?

Well, I named most of the negative comedy forms the show takes on to be fair. They've done a lot of bold comedy that's turned out very well. There's the aforementioned Heather's scene, Harold's lewd jokes, Beth calling Lindsay a "tanorexic" (even though that's pretty offensive), groin kicks, and a lot more. Aww, you don't like Cody in TDWT? He was definitely one of my favorites that season. So funny and realistic. Not to mention his interactions with Sierra, Heather and Alejandro were priceless, especially Sierra's since those were a whole season thing. Reaching the final 3 but not winning was a great decision the writers made, since it prevented Cody from taking a forced underdog route. Making the final 3 for him felt so natural and weird at the same time, like, Cody? In the final three? What?? Not to mention Cody is one of the three minor characters who got tons of development and won challenges for their teams (the other two being Noah and my favorite, Tyler). After TDI Gwen, it's just hard to see Gwen be a total badass goth again.

To be fair to TDAS Gwen, there's a lot of characters who can never reach that level of greatness again. TDI Gwen/Leshawna (Leshawna is debatable), TDA Beth, TDWT Heather/Alejandro/Cody/Sierra (that season worked miracles), TDRI Cameron/Zoey (with that whole boring underdog thing for Cameron and the Commando transformation for Zoey, they just seem bland(er) afterwards), TDAS NO ONE, and TDPI Shawn (Topher is kinda done too unless they choose to expand him outside Chris's fanboy). So Gwen, as a character, doesn't have much left to offer after 3 seasons on that show, two of which were quite long and one of which she was probably the best contestant and won. TDAS Gwen has the same appeal as Teen Titans Go: they attract the fanbase with the same characters, but totally screw them over. Everyone sees through them pretty fast. But I don't know to be honest, I guess I just like TDAS Gwen for the few good moments she actually had, like when she grumpily searching for a painting of Chris, when she tried (and failed) becoming friends with Courtney, saved Courtney from a vicious Harvest Moon deer (which is a pretty badass moment on it's own, she could have died), won the challenge in Zeek and Ye Shall Find (pretty good episode btw, not focused on Zoey and no Mike brain sequences) and my favorite moment of all no matter how OOC it was: when she started crying in Food Fright in the confessional. Most of these made me feel sorry for her, or made me cheer for her. And by the final four, admittedly, Gwen was the best contestant remaining even though she had already won a season. Better finalist option than Scott or *shudders* Mike and Zoey.

I wonder how CCHO would've gone if Duncan had been voted out like Lindsay planned. Harold would have won the conflict so that's good. Boys would have been outnumbered instead of girls (which is normal for this show). Lindsay would've continued her awesome conflict with Courtney, tricked her into an alliance, probably let Beth use the PDA...hm, I'll have to think on it. I'm gonna rewrite the episodes anyway because of the CYOA. While we're on the subject of TDWT Courtney, I can relate to her SO MUCH. I've gone through the process before just like most people have: trusting someone, then being viciously betrayed by them. I actually react in such situations the same way Courtney does, by obsessing over it, wanting my enemy to get what's coming to them, etc. (I don't think I would fall in love with a Spanish dude though). They have been very risk taking in lots of their comedy, and quite a bit of it has payed off. I love seeing all the almost curse words they get out.

I'm mixed about TDWT Cody. When I started off I did like him, especially once the final 4 hit and he got some development and fleshed out interactions with Alejandro and Heather. However, over time I've grown less fond of him. There's the fact he kept getting carried through the season, first by his very strong team, and then by Sierra who was an absolute beast. His entire plot for the majority of the season was "win over Gwen, get rid of Sierra". He also didn't even sing in the majority of the songs he was in, but didn't get disqualified. After he and Heather start becoming sort of friends, and Alejandro takes interest in manipulating him, that's when he got a bit more interesting. But looking at the whole season, he could have been much better.

Yeah true, the first one often hits the mark. On rare cases you'll have less impressive characters who are improved later on, Owen in TDRR would qualify, and some would say Noah in TDWT compared to TDI. I get that. Very difficult to make Gwen as amazing as she was in TDI since her story was already through, but at the very least they could keep her consistent and not turn her into a plot device for an ill-contrived love triangle, or Courtney's girly BFF. She did have some moments here and there, her thing with Zoey was okay I guess, and made Zoey less boring. But I just can't ignore the fact that girl in TDAS isn't Gwen, and some strange imposter who looks like her and took her place. By the time of B&BF I didn't like any of them, Courtney was the last character to provide any entertainment value and she just got ruined, I just wanted that episode to be over. Even Scott was tedious to watch at that point.

Maybe she would have done something like Sensei Lindsay Her Hotness, and have Lindsay either excel at the kung-fu challenge or provide some dumb blonde humor for it. Plus now that Duncan was gone, the guys probably wouldn't win the first part, meaning the girls would climb the mountain. I can understand that Duncan was needed in that episode though, the kung-fu challenge just wouldn't have worked if only Harold was present. But it should have been Owen who got kicked out, esp. since he shouldn't have returned to begin with.