User blog comment:Bowen567/Explain your opinions on.../@comment-31556666-20161203152536/@comment-31556666-20161203210045

@Pic-O

That's very easy tbh. I mean yes, the Surfer Dudes return is a key reason why they are so much worse than TDI Owen, since it was completely unnecessary, stupid, and they were extremely obnoxious. But even not counting that, TDI Owen is still better. The really easy reason is simply Owen got much more involved in the grand scheme of things in TDI. You'd remember him almost instantly in this season. He had all these really bright interactions with almost everybody with his personality shining through. I mean.... you had his buddy-buddy friendship with Duncan (who normally wouldn't get along with many people), his near-finale team up with the contrasting social outsider Gwen, his unique complete obliviousness to Heather blatantly treating him horribly (<3) before unleashing his Lindsay-type breakdown at her, his quirky and funny crush on Izzy, and heck, Justin lasted 4 episodes and Owen still got such a memorable interaction with him where he had a crush on him. Owen's OTT self works because it can be a variation in multiple situations, not to mention he had various kinds of comedic moments. Not just being happy and oblivious like the Surfers. He could be a happy go lucky goofball, a pain magnet, a fart machine, and many others.

The Surfers are mediocre even before returning. Their humour is much more repetitive than Owen's ever was, and with the amount of characters, they kind of faded a little, or a LOT of the time. The entire Final 9 still stood out much more in the first 16 episodes. Father/Son, Reality TV Pros, Goths, Daters, Best Friends, Sisters, Ice Dancers, and Police Cadets just all did much more stand out things, and this is taking into account that Goths could even go in the background. The surfers were mostly the same gag over and over again about how they're just quirky party dudes who are there for a fun time.

And their return????? Yeah I think we know who's better here

Kitty: I'm stuck! Geoff: First place, bro! Youuu ru-ale!!!!!

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