Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20150111211426/@comment-24152851-20150201072520

Well "perfect" in the sense that it was a bit too easy for them to come together, and how their relationship almost never experiences any problems. It's too perfect to the point where it's unrealistic and fake. The characters themselves have all sorts of problems, but their relationship is presented as the "ideal couple" who never has anything go wrong for them, even if it means it has to go wrong for everyone else. From what I've heard, Zoke fans just love how they're "made for each other", and eat that "niceness" stuff up, and refuse to acknowledge all the other issues people point out. If you go over to YT, it's almost impossible to diss Mike and Zoey without getting an avalanche of flaming and dislikes to your comment.

The backlash against TDAS will always linger around until they openly acknowledge their error, and do something about it. It's nice and all to have them make something that won't tear apart the fanbase, but we still need to know there won't be a repeat of the crap we saw in TDAS.

more seriousness. I want to see Total Drama come back doing what made Island so satisfying and lifting itself and its characters out of the hole they've fallen in to. A great idea that was once done so well when it was new and fresh cannot continue to be wasted like this. TheMysteriousMrEnter? I've never heard of him before. I did a google search, has he ever reviewed Total Drama before?

Even if their targeted audience was *cough* somewhat happy, that portion of the satisfied base doesn't come anywhere near close to drowning out the verbal hatred of the rest of the fandom. Yeah, they really crossed the Writer's Moral Event Horizon there, very few shows have fallen that far. Of course there are shows that are more terrible than Total Drama, but they were bad to begin with, Total Drama went from it's peak and kept on plummeting ever since.

Fair enough, the only reason why I hate Bold and the Bootyful more was, Gwen wasn't the only thing that was terrible in the episode. The episode had no plot, Scott was even dumber and has lost any remnant of character, they never run out of toilet humor, Mal was even worse than usual and spent the entire episode running around and dropping things on people. With SMS if you took out Courtney the episode was watchable at least, but with Bold and the Bootyful there didn't seem to be a single thing they didn't do wrong. Wreck-ening is in the same boat as B&BF, on top of the offensiveness and implications of killing the ballooned cast, there was also nothing in the episode they did right (except maybe for the weapons rack). I objectively guess Courtney's derailment was worse, because of how excessively biased it was, but personally I was more effected by Gwen's derailment. Though I by no means condone how Courtney was handled. I guess the lesson they should learn is, if they want the fans to like a character, don't overglorify them and shove them down everyone's throats. Do what comes naturally, how they would really act rather than what they think the fans want. Why is that we keep getting so many Ensemble Darkhorses, characters which weren't intended to be big, but achieved so much popularity on their own?

Good to hear it. That's why I act like "it's wrong to like that episode", and I won't be turning on that belief.

Very true, I think someone made that point a while ago, if everyone's coming in all critical, then they can be sure they're doing something wrong.

Even if all of her episodes weren't brilliant, they still stood out from the other particularly sour ones in the season. I still find Suckers Punches to be a little overrated IMO, but it's still one of the most decent episodes in the season, I'll admit that much. Food Fright could've been better, but it felt like she was trying her best to work with bad material, as it was the first time Sam actually did something in the season. The reason I was okay with Obsta-Kill Kourse was, it was the one time Mal acted like a proper antagonist, and used actual strategy and manipulation to eliminate Alejandro. I agree his was very Villain Stu-y in that episode, but it was still an improvement to other points in the season. Plus the Al-Mal dialogue wasn't too shabby either. Compared to the all the other episodes from You Regatta to the finale, it really stood out. The level of writing in the Trinity is just disgusting. I don't know how it escalated out of control to that extent, but they'd better make sure we don't get a repeat of it.

I will unhesitatingly that elimination method was my least favorite. Yes I get the elimination is all about "humiliating" the contestants, but that's just going too far, even for Chris. Since it's the All-Stars season where everything's meant to be so "classy", it makes even less sense to include a freaking toilet sitting on the edge of the docks. "Literally treating the characters like crap", really makes one wonder if they were intentionally being metaphoric. I didn't actually mind the exclusive clips, especially Lightning's which was sort of funny. Though Heather's one was really stupid, doing that callback to Bridgette in TDWT. But yeah, I'd really like to know what lead them to come up with that crap bucket.

I think all of us were excited by the mix of casts, but almost all were equally disappointed by how it turned out. Many of the characters just act like they know each other already, even though they've never conversed, and everything from attractions, to friendships, and even conflicts were all rushed and failed to be explored.

Oh damn, he really said: "cleaned up real good". Okay, that can really be interpreted as inappropriate implications for a kids show.

Yeah, mainly because for Courtney and Gwen to end up with Duncan/Scott, they both had to undergo major character wrecking to make them suitable. But that's what Amy was from the beginning, so it makes a lot more sense to pair her, although Scott would still have to remain his derailed moronic persona in order for it to work.

Thankyou. The approach they took with Courtney was pursuing a path with her, which wasn't that popular to begin with, but that they thought would have a good turn out. Before taking that said path, and exaggerating it to ridiculous proportions. The disaster could've been avoided if they had listened to the fans along the way, and just cut it loose during TDWT. From what I've heard, she's still one of the most notable ones, despite her large number of haters, she still has one of the largest most verbal fanbases in the series.

All goes to show, when they have such a high standard to uphold, esp. in the most pivotal season, they really need to be more careful in who they hire. I say, no more newbies for a season with returning characters. And there needs to be quality control to check for any bias in the writing. Simple measures that can be taken to avert any future crises.

Yep, I think we went over that several times in the paragraphs above.

Added, I'll expand it over time.

If you don't mind, I kind of feel like dropping the discussion about TDAS for now. I know it's bad, you know it's bad, and so does everyone else. We might want to get something else to talk about.