Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141017070841/@comment-1037137-20141018184910

Quite right, and the hatebase for Sugar is clearly a big one. And I don't question why for a minute. No character based off of that certain celebrity is going to be anyone worthy of us liking them. Owen can be gross, but Sugar apparently is gross and even more unsympathetic. That's a combo that's dead-on-arrival if I ever heard one. It will suck if she becomes overexposed like Owen did.

I know, they really have, I don't find this excessive cruelty to the characters funny, and I don't like seeing them made to all look horrible and sent out without a shred of dignity. And now it's being done to satisfy jokes that aren't funny, and even come at the expense of the story to the point of destruction. ( Looking at you, SMS and Wreck-ening >_< ) And for Chris to be getting away with everything he has done and to not get a fitting karma for it is maddening. Why wouldn't we want to see the obvious villain get punished? Who are the writers fooling? If anything all they succeeded in doing by that was making Chris even more hateworthy and making us more eager to see him punished. Chris is the one pulling all of the strings to emotionally and physically abuse all of the characters even if he himself doesn't lay a finger on them, and now his more recent acts border on attempted murder or at the very least, clear and undeniable endangerment of all their lives. And I fail to see how this is funny. He never went this far with it in Island. He's clearly been Flanderized because now he couldn't care less if he gets sued for what happens to them. I mean I want an explanation as to how they can even try to excuse any of this.

I hate that they were reduced to sideshow hosts, but Bridgette and Geoff certainly are a lot more fun and watchable than Chris. It's not a role they should be in, they should be back in the freaking game, but you don't have to put up with Chris' crap with them. Any excuse not to see Chris is a good one.

Yeah, do they love or hate their characters? At this point, it's a reasonable question to ask. Because for characters they love to use a lot, I don't see any affection for them onscreen in the way they're used and portrayed. The VAs have to be at least a little bothered by what they're recording for the series, I cannot imagine being put in either Megan or Emilie-Claire's position with this crap they're given, watching their own characters being deconstructed. Or any of the other actors for that matter, because no character is safe from this damned onslaught. And major props to Dan Castellaneta for refusing such scripts! There's a man who knows how to keep himself and his character respectable when the writers try to undermine them. Nice to know that even with The Simpsons losing steam that there is some quality control among some of the regular crew. Something Total Drama could benefit from since quality control and integrity seem to have become an afterthought. The VAs do deserve a say in how their characters are use, something they apparently don't have the luxury of. Not even Christian Potenza himself, I don't think. And that's complete BS, the cast should always have some say. I can't imagine the voice actors are happy with what's becoming of the characters they helped create or of the very negative audience reception of how they've evolved over time. It's no debate that it's a major problem with the series, and it's one that Fresh absolutely cannot ignore anymore. Them or their partners, I don't know, Fresh is not the sole player here but somebody needs to put their foot down and stop this crusade against the cast, especially the originals.

Courtney's been reduced to such a mess since her first appearance, I think her true self is the one from TDI but she fell under bad influences that brought out some less desirable traits. What I don't get is why they keep flipflopping with her. They know we loved TDI Courtney, they know lots of people hate her raging, even hypocritical edge now, I mean honest to God when are they going to stop and realize that this is a pattern that has run its course for far too long? If they didn't cross the line before, they definitely crossed it with TDAS, almost nobody has defended how they trashed her in the final act of that mess. And Ed MacDonald definitely had it out for her, you don't write an episode like that unless you have some sort of vendetta on the brain. After all of that positive development she was finally getting after so long? And what looked like might finally be her season to shine? As a redeemed character? Somebody up there should be fired for undoing all of that, I mean the backlash that came of that is entirely justified. Probably the only other thing to provoke the kind of anger Mike and Zoey both earned in TDAS. They had it, and then they blew it. And the question is, why would they let that happen? As if it weren't clear enough already that they truly don't feel any affection for their own characters, they trash them at our expense openly now. That alone is just grounds for the anger they received for this disaster.

And perhaps it was. I still don't buy that idea that they are in any way romantically attracted to each other, that's silly. But perhaps Gwen was a little too quick to make friends with Cameron, or at least too quick on becoming as close as the two of them did? I don't know. Theirs is a confusing friendship looking back on it. Not terrible, but going a little too far. I mean Gwen would not hate the guy I don't think, but she'd take her time before becoming that affectionate with anybody.

They were an amazing pairing in TDWT, I loved seeing them interact on a civil level and I thought they made a great team. And you could've easily had some drama or tension without resorting to the character-destroying levels of the triangle Duncan triggered. Yeah, that son of a gun ruined that season for me because he ruined one of the things I loved most in the season. And things remained toxic from that point onward with nearly everything else. Which really sucks, they were getting along well and I thought that was awesome, I always wanted to see how a friendship between them would play out and I was loving it! It was fun, it really was. And it was doing wonders for both of them. And then someone at Teletoon decided that Fresh needed to take the axe to that and that's how we got the crapfest that was the love triangle. And even after patching it up, the wrong people were put at the helm and they butchered it bigtime. Yeah, I was happy to see them as friends, but Regatta got way too weird. Though that doesn't measure up to the final outcome. Yeah, Ed MacDonald never belonged on this crew and never should have been here. While it's impossible to say for certain, we might've been spared three episodes by his hands that were either stupid, confusing, or above all, majorly offensive.

Well Chris is a d*****, there's no arguing that. (Can you use that term here too?) Though Gwen really made herself too easy a target for that low blow. But yeah, Chris can seriously go choke on his ego.

Yes, I heard that too, and I'm glad they acknowledged that. And on the few times they actually tried to defend Mike as a legit character or as one who was not in any way offensive, they got hit hard for it. I remember fans were in an uproar when they tried to excuse some of the choices they made with Mike simply because it's a cartoon. The masses did not take kindly to that. And yes, Mal is a complete Villain Stu, far worse than anything Alejandro was ever accused of being in TDWT. He barely did jack in this season, he never did anything decisive. And yes, seeing Cameron backtrack like that was insulting, Cameron is not the idiot he was portrayed as in TDAS. And Ed MacDonald if he was that attached the character should've also shown him more love than that. But these guys, I don't know they really don't seem to mind screwing with us and all we know and love about the show and its casts.

LOL, I used to say that all the time about the creators and their fixation on Duncan. XD

We need the friendships back because that was also a huge part of what we all loved in the show. The trio in particular needs to be reunited, they were the great trio of the series, it was such a genuine and real friendship. And I loved every moment of it. There are still a few okay friendships, but they never quite matched that and now there are far too few of them shown in a positive and lasting light. I want the old trio back.

Sadly yes, the trio that is Mike, Zoey, and Cameron simply became too much for their characters and made them too heavily revolved around each other, which fans didn't think was a good thing for any of them. Yeah, they clearly did not think that one through, and the fact that they are so wrapped up amongst themselves and rarely interact with anyone else, and the fact that it all goes back to Mike's disorder......Makes them pretty hard to tolerate as a group after a while, I now understand fully why fans have hated it for as long as they have.

True that, even her anger likely wouldn't have generated all that superhuman strength, but other characters have gotten away with that. And at the time I was just having fun with it, I liked seeing her go Rambo on everyone. Gave her a nice edge, I almost prefer her with the devilish smirk and combat paint. :D It was fun and kind of a neat look for her. I don't regret saying I enjoyed Commando Zoey.

Zoke really does suck, I have officially quit on that couple. It's impossible to defend it when you take its huge plethora of problems into account. And it does seem too squarely aimed at kids and is a truly unhealthy relationship, those two went to very dangerous lengths to remain together and the big whopper is that that's all we ever see of the pairing, them trying to be together but never actually showing how they are together. It was the same "Will they get together?" drama for two straight seasons, practically word for word. Who wants to see that forever from one pairing? I mean with Gwent we saw Gwen and Trent clearly had a chemistry and clearly worked as a couple and it felt genuine and developed. That was a couple. Regardless of when they became official with each other.

That's good, let's try to keep the feedback going and keep it constructive. Heck, we could probably combine our resources in accomplishing that. It's constructive criticism that will hopefully promote positive change and a repair of the series if our voices are all loud enough at it.

As for Zoey, I'll gladly vouch for her redemption as I do for so many others. Because I don't want to see her potential destroyed just because of her thing with Mike.

I hope to God you are right and that that is true. I never ever want to see that man's work again, or anything of the likes of what he dumped on us. I'm never forgiving his work. Now the other writers remain a serious concern, however.

Thanks for understanding, those episodes give me a massive headache and are just some of the worst things I ever laid eyes on. The resentment I feel against those is still extremely raw. I wish I could just forget them but seeing how they're counted as canon still, I don't have that luxury. Which believe me, really sucks. >_< I'll never understand why those were not pulled.

That man has a really questionable approach, I certainly hope he's not popular anymore with fans, because his episodes have gotten progressively stupider and more cruel, as I have been warning about the tone of the series. And damn, the low blows he has struck with a lot of them. If that's his approach, then it is not simply a suggestion he stick to voice acting, it is a necessity. I pray he does not have many episodes under his belt in Ridonculous Race, but as the Executive Story Editor he could do a lot of damage. I mean where was the editors when they cut and paste TDAS together?

Ugggh, hate Doey, it's such a lame crack pairing. And Duncan is still very low among my rankings, even if I possibly hate both Mal and Chris even more now.

Sierra was insufferable, I'm still waiting for somebody to give me something to like about this character. And so far all I can do is roll my eyes at her. She is so annoying and one-note. If she ever reappears, I want to see them do something with her other than Cody speak. Way to pile drive a joke into the ground.

Exactly. I resent that, I hate that trend, it's an insulting thing to do, and I wish it would stop. And yeah, that season's still a sore point with me, that much we full established.

What a fitting lable for this piece of crap. If not for TDPI, it would've been. I even called it such on my DA page.

Well then there needs to be a serious and committed effort and repairing and maintaining personalities and characters across seasons, with NO attempts to justify derailment for the sake of a joke or plot point, it's that kind of lax approach that has led to the current mess we have on our hands and the sooner they get serious about all of that, the sooner the show will get better.

No problem. I hope to see your next reply soon, but absolutely no rush intended, do it at your own convenience, Stryzzar. I understand.