Thread:UnderdogFan28/@comment-4742462-20151204023419/@comment-4742462-20151206061444

@UnderdogFan28, yeah if it wasn't for All-Stars this season would've likely been the most despised. The way I see it is that it was 95% awful with anything good about it ending after Scarlett Fever (I've said before that while I do like the episode, it's severely ruined by it's BS ending). Out of all those characters you mentioned, Jasmine was the only one I liked. The only other ones I liked were Scarlett, Sky, and Ella. So did I, Revenge of the Island was also the last season I could take seriously as well as the last one before the series turned into a dead franchise thanks to All-Stars. Say what you will about the 2nd Generation cast, but at least most of them I could actually see possibly having a future if given a chance unlike the "Characters" of the 3rd Generation cast who struck me as ones considered too stupid for Family Guy or something you'd expect from a Robot Chicken parody of the show.

Side-note: I 100% agree with everything you've ever said about Sugar. Before Stephanie, she was the worst character not just of the Total Drama franchise but that I've ever seen in any media property!

The Haters from what I've seen are at their most popular here on the Wiki. But go anywhere else such as DA and TVTropes where they're labeled as Scrappies and you'll see plenty of memes that put them as either the worst team or one of the worst. For me, everything about them after Hawaiian Honeyruin (they were 'eh' beforehand but slowly getting worse as Stephanie's anger was hinted) made me want to smash my head into a wall with how much misery and suffering I was forced to endure with them. I wanted both of them (especially Stephanie) to just die by the time they were FINALLY eliminated after stressing me out and angering me for roughly 95% of the season.

New Beijinging and Lord of the Ring Toss were definitely worse non-elimination episodes (epseically the latter). Yes, that I'll give you.

Well, maybe it's because that I thought most of the characters sucked again like in Pahkitew Island but I could just barely get invested in most of what was happening throughout the season and have seen most of the episodes only once because the majority were either boring or frustrating (leaning more towards the latter during the last three weeks).

And now here's my (controversial) thoughts on the last four episodes you mentioned earlier. Again, quite a long read which took me about two hours to type up.

Shawshank: I honestly just didn't care about ANYTHING that happened in this one! From the conflict with the Police Cadets & the Ice Dancers (which I honestly never cared for at all since I hated both teams as a whole), to the Stepbrothers suddenly getting along in an abrupt switch that the writers try to pass off as "Development" (and they were STILL annoying even when they got along), to the predictably of both the first two mentioned teams being boomeranged, to Best Friends winning first so Devin could call his precious Shelley only for them to break up and start the Best Friends' descent into becoming one of the worst and most frustrating teams in this thing. And the revelation of it being a non-elimination (and the 2nd one in a row not to mention) was the final nail in this awful boring piece of trash. To put it lightly, I've seen snails that both moved faster and bored/angered me less than this episode.

Little Bull: Easily the best of the episodes from that week, but that isn't saying much as it's 'eh...' at best. Still, compared to the other four from that week it angered/bored me the least. The stuff between Father & Son was good and I always liked their development (really, people actually say Junior didn't develop compared to Spud or the Stepbrothers?) to the point where I honestly wished that they had beat out Reality TV Pros since any relevance that the latter team was pretty much over by this point despite lasting two more episodes. My ideal Final 5 for this season would've had Father & Son in it as the underdog team. By this episode, the Goths are the only full team left that I like because while I'm starting to like Kitty the varying inconsistencies with Emma's character continues to drag the entire team down and I've already mentioned that I like Sanders but hate MacArthur (although the hate didn't really start until after she accidently broke Sanders' arm).

El Bunny Supremo: Even taking out the Goths' elimination, this episode is still bad but the elimination was icing on the cake. The fact that they were the only team to be eliminated by the Ice Dancers just goes to show how much I thought they sucked as villains (but that's an argument for another day) and being outranked by one of the eventual (undeserving) finalists made it feel like a slap to the face even if they left with their dignities intact. Besides that, Carrie interacting with Ryan was pretty much an Swapped Roles version of Devin & Shelley and further fed into both the Best Friends & Haters being the most insufferable thing about the show by this point as well as creating fears of a potential love SQUARE (which was thankfully avoided, but still). The Goths were the only good team in this as Emma still weighs her entire team down by continuing to obsess over Noah when he isn't even there! All of the likability that this show barely had left by this point dried up as soon as the Goths were booted and I essentially gave up despite seeing most of the remaining six episodes (in spite of what some people seem to think) because there was pretty much no reason for me to care about what was happening anymore.

Darjeel with It: The last episode that actually had me somewhat interested that didn't suffer from a crappy ending (Bahamarama), but it's still nothing I would put on-par with something from Island and consider it borderline bad for reasons I'll get into. For the first time, the writers have given Emma a personality that results in me being able to like a full team again for the first time since the Goths were booted and the Sisters became the only team left that I was rooting for (which made them getting screwed out of the finale even more insulting). It was also so satisfying to see the Ice Dancers get bitten in the butt for their sabotage especially after how frustrating it was when they got away with it last episode (being penalized but STILL placing 1st anyways). I also liked the setup of the race to the Chill Zone in this episode as I remember watching a train documentary with a segment regarding that railway and the way they have the train pulling the coaches is accurate to how it's done on that railway. But like I said, it's far from good due to stuff like the Haters. Now granted, while I had no problem with how they were eliminated because they both showed in the past how stupid they both are, I found them to still be annoying here (but at least somewhat better than how they were for most of the episodes leading up to this, but I still wanted them dead when all was said and done) and I also hated how Ryan's interaction with Carrie was just suddenly abandoned never to be mentioned again after the previous episode (even if I hated said interaction, I further hated how it was left behind as it showed how useless and irrelevant it was). Stuff with Best Friends annoyed me as usual but it was worth it for the scene of Kitty & Emma chewing Devin out. And finally, it's honestly way too much of a stretch for the show to expect me to buy that MacArthur (whom I'd consider somewhat smart despite hating her) would automatically accuse Devin of uncoupling the coaches when she CLEARLY should've known that it was the Ice Dancers. To quote a friend when I discussed the episode with him "There's misunderstanding, and then there's just ignoring the complete obvious". I'm glad that the potential rivalry between Police Cadets & Best Friends seemed to set up was dropped almost instantly as it would've led to an Idiot Plot had it continued (but I still get to call the scene out for happening anyways).