Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20150203224621/@comment-1037137-20150210091513

I understand. I'll try to keep it in moderation as best as I can, I just want to be sure that they understand what the primary issues are and that they don't become lax on any of them. We want this show to be able to rise above its past failings if it can be helped, there was no cause for the fandom to become so strife with frustration and division as a direct result of all of these missteps. Yeah, with such a massive and growing cast, naturally nobody's going to like all of them, you can't please everyone, but this show did at a time know how to uphold the appeal of the majority of them and it can do so again if it can go out of its way to make that effort again. And there are only so many people who are content with how the characters have been handled since TDI's end, I don't think the fandom lately has been able to derive the same kind of enjoyment from this cast that they did when the show was still young. And even if you don't like all the cast, there's no question that the handling has just gotten ludicrous and careless, not thinking through these characterizations as they evolve but instead being way too quick to tamper with them from one episode to the next, and going absolutely insane with it. No fandom needs that headache, I think that's the worst mistake you can make. Yes, as always I try to do the best to back up my opinions as well as acknowledging what I understand to be general consensus or the views of the other side of the matter. I think it's best to reinforce both when addressing the larger elements of the series. Thankfully, the majority of us are agreed that TDAS was terrible, I'm thankful that fans have not ignored what a disaster that was, it pretty much lost the faith of its audience before it was even finished. No way there's any ignoring the reputation TDAS got, that's a good starting point, and probably a huge wake up call to just how off track things have gotten.

Hopefully you are right man. There is no way they'd be let off the hook if they tried that again, they'd only be inviting more trouble and fans would be on them about it immediately, there's nothing to be gained from that. If you can't be trusted to handle subject matter like that maturely, then you shouldn't be messing with it at all. Given how incensed so many people were over Mike, I guess it is fairly safe to assume that that's the last we'll see of that ill-advised plot. So I'll try not to harp too much on it for a bit.

You're right, gotta find that out first, make sure that they are aware of the fallout resulting from the rest of the Trinity. I hope nobody's letting anything else about the Trinity slide either, we got character killing, pointlessness, and insults of the audience's intelligence all rolled into once: Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking, essentially. I suppose you are right, I can go see what's been addressed about the Trinity already, hopefully addressed on more than one occasion. I don't want any element of the Trinity to go unaddressed, I never want to see something like that again. Yes, I'll try that approach as you've said, I mean that's a good way to bring such questions forward. We can forget about Mike for a bit, but the other elements I'd definitely want to address, like why was the island sunk, what was up with those balloons, why the hell did they go out of the way to destroy Courtney in SMS and Gwen in Booty-ful, etc. Those are just things you don't do in your show. And they were just horrific. In fact, I clearly remember Fresh coming to us within days of SMS airing, things blew up before the final episode so the problems with those other episodes can't be lost on them. And according to people I've talked to elsewhere, it isn't; some people I've talked to insist that the backlash against SMS was not lost on the creators. Not sure about Booty-ful, but as you and I have both observed, virtually nobody has stood up for that one either. So we probably already do have a leg up on those as well, I think. Yes, I will see what has been addressed already and see how I can get in my own input on them while building on previous observations and comments given by others.

Well, it is a start, bro. Not the apology we deserve yet, but it's better than nothing. No, I won't actually go up demanding an apology upfront, but I think all the criticism of the past year speaks for itself on just how important it is that one be given eventually. Especially to those with actual disorders who may have found this portrayal to be tasteless. But the entire fandom is owed an apology for what a mess this was, almost everyone was put off in some way so when an apology is given, if it ever is, it ought to extend to everybody for every respective insult dealt. I do hope eventually they will come clean and do that. I prefer that eventually they break from the wall of enthusiasm parading the series forward and actually stop to acknowledge that they made a mistake.

I've noticed. -_- However that shouldn't divert things too much since nearly everyone has a complaint about the handling of the characters. Besides, the cheap comic relief is not being treated much better, and the really lowbrow jokes don't seem to have won the sympathy of the majority so we should still be able to get our point across on the character development angle.

Yes, exactly Stryzzar, exactly. And does anybody deserve to be left on a bad note with their favorites? No, and that is a crime TDAS was too eager to commit. And seeing how it's been a repeat occurrence with some of the most popular and recognizable characters of the series, it makes the matter even more urgent. We cannot let the importance of this count be undermined in tackling the issue, we got to make them understand that by law fans do get upset when the characters they've long enjoyed are being deconstructed at their expense. They have to understand that you can't just have a character doing literally anything that comes to you during the writing process and expect people to be kosher with it automatically, no there's an entire set of rules and an entire science behind how you handle them so that their appeal is upheld as the show forges onward. And this fandom at times has shown great appreciation for the few instances where character development was done well and kept consistent, and great frustration whenever anybody is OOC.

They don't want to be dragged down to that point, I would hope they would not want to be. Redemption is a must here, whatever the show's future plans, you can't leave us on such a sour note with so many popular characters who have been central to the series, with their built-in fandoms being denied the satisfaction of enjoying them onscreen and or them going out on a high note. Too often has that been the case where instead of that, we just see them dragged down to yet another low, and that's not fair; it's like we shouldn't even get emotionally invested in the first place.Why invest ourselves at all if there's no payoff for any of it? That lack of payoff and satisfaction is what's going to eventually doom the series. They have to show serious consideration for both their fans and the characters they love alike, I mean that is the whole point of any series, and that they absolutely need to be reminded of somehow.