Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141008061648/@comment-24152851-20141011041728

Sorry for the late reply, got caught up in so much stuff yesterday, both on wiki and off wiki (had a rollbacks meeting yesterday).

That's probably one of the main reasons why I hate Sugar, she's so incessantly cruel to Ella, but unlike other cruel characters, she keeps getting away with it (both in the show and in the fanbase). Chris's sadistic flanderization didn't help either. Back in TDI he just embarrassed the contestants, but these days he actively tries to kill them in 1/3 episodes.

I don't exactly hate Courtney, and have found her entertaining at times, but sometimes it's hard to feel sympathy for her, esp. in TDA. But she definitely has been screwed over by the series one too many times. I was starting to like her a bit in TDWT with her friendship with Gwen, before Duncan had to come in and wreck it.

It'll be pretty hard to be as bad as TDAS, they seemed to do everything wrong in production (4 writers, rushed production, hiring Ed and Terry). I think even their not stupid enough to make a mistake on this scale again, but I fully understand if you feel that way.

Thing with Zoey (and Cameron for that matter), I think the trio just acts as one big vicious cycle. The individual hate for any one of them, spreads the hate to all of them and that keeps getting magnified. I guess people like grouping hated characters together, as it makes it easier to bash. I wish the trio never existed, all of them could've been so much better off without it (even Mike, as he would have no reason to stay so long). I still have hope for Cameron developing away from the rest of the trio, I never felt he was needed there to begin with.

As for Zoey, other than the godplaying BS and Zoke, is she really that different to Bridgette? Her hate in ROTI wouldn’t amount to half the hate she got in TDAS. The season could not have been anymore predictable, and it was designed for the one purpose of getting those two to the finale, and to do so by any means, no many how many characters they had to defecate on to reach there. I really grew to like her in ROTI when she finally came to realize Scott’s true nature and went and stood her ground against him. Commando Zoey! It would really help if they explained half of the godding she pulled off in TDAS, perhaps Phoenix is right in that her Mutant-X Gene got activated. Seems as though no one wants her return anymore than Mike, but knowing the writers they almost certainly will bring her back. Lets just hope that this time time she gets some redemption, and I agree she definitely needs less focus this time round.

Oh. I am so sorry, I had no idea. I promise I will never bring it up again :(

I fully understand what your getting at, and if it was any other minor character who no one even cared about (like Staci), then I'd agree. But Mike has left such a deep stain on the series, and for every naive kid out there he has had a lasting impression on them. They will not forget him anytime soon. Even if they don't bring Mike back, they're going to have to address that problem somehow (an open apology to every disabled person would be nice).

The saddest thing of all is, (like you once said), done right Mike could've been one of the most influential characters in the series. But they just had to make him into a plot device to show off Cory Doran's voice versatility.

Yeah that's what makes it so unforgivable, they dedicate 3-4 episodes to redeem her character only to go and stab it down again (or at least Ed Macdonald did). Can't the guy come up with one elimination episode that doesn't involve entirely crushing a character? Speaking of which, I've heard from countless sources all over the internet that he didn't even watch any previous seasons when writing this, which explains why he thought Gwen was a lovey-dovey flower girl. What I really can't understand is why doesn't the Tom McGillis or the production team look over that crap before giving it the green light?

I don't think there's anything else left to be said on the balloons, you've pretty much covered it all.

Did you see EpicDestroyer's blog on character morality? He was like ''Cameron is one of the most two-faced characters ever. Going along with Mal's plan, kissing Courtney to break apart Scottney, and then manipulating them by saying "why did you kiss me"''. I went in and overturned his argument by verifying that it was Mal who literally pushed Cameron into Courtney, and he accused her of kissing him because she would have killed him otherwise. I managed to sway his view on that point at least, but that stupid episode was entirely to blame. I just know the fact that Cam was eliminated means it wasn't written by Ed Macdonald, otherwise he would have come up with another way to let him stay.

I fully acknowledge he's a Base Breaker (I added him to the section on tvtropes), but he's probably the least deserving out of the trio. A third of his hatred came from his design and how he was an inferior replacement to Harold, and half of it was how TDAS went and screwed him sideways, but no one ever blames the season like they do with other characters. If people hate Cameron and are going to use TDAS to bash him, they at the very least shouldn't count the moments where he's excessively OOC as a genuine part of his character.

Well, they did the "young couples don't last" thing poorly, but at least they made an attempt to educate and be realistic (can't say the same for Mike). I didn't full out despise the triangle back then, because I wasn't a fan of Duncney (I never thought they were going to work out), but Duncan was definitely the ass who created that lovetriangle mess, and painted Gwen as the villain when he gets away Scott-free. "Babe Olympics?" Really? Ah yes, the Team Victory thing. I don't think we've ever had a "fodder team" like that before, not even the Toxic Rats had it that bad as they had lots of team changes, and at least lasted past the merge. I guess that's why you hate Alejandro huh? Due to the way he just ruthlessly eliminated favorites. DJ and Bridgette did get screwed over I agree (though with Bridgette I thought it was an improvement to her 24/7 make out sessions with Geoff last season). I don't entirely agree with Noah and Tyler though, I thought they were at their best this season, and it was when they became fan favorites. Noah barely existed in TDI, but he became an Ensemble Darkhorse, and Tyler was one of the most hilarious character ever. I do agree that both of their eliminations were BS, as both times were so that Duncan could stay on longer.

With Sierra, I'm sorry but I kinda liked her. I can understand people who don't like her; she seems to be another very big base breaker. Though the reason why I liked her was, I always saw them trying to give her the same humor that they did with Izzy (though of course Izzy does it better). I was also amused by how they made her a parody of real life Total Drama fans (as shown by how she comes up with ship names like "Gwuncan"). She also had a few memorable lines/moments such as in Amazon Race. Having said that, I definitely concede that the Cody thing was overdone and really unneeded. She could have been a lot better if she didn't revolve around Cody, and was given some individuality of her own. That was one of the things I was hoping for in TDAS: a saner, non-stalker Sierra who was just a quirky, nice-girl, but then they go out of their way and make her 10x as bat-s*** crazy as before. Seriously photo-shopping Cody-heads onto everyone?!

I can see where you’re coming from, but personally I thought the positives still outweighed the negatives, and I think most of the fanbase agreed it was the second best season after TDI (with some thinking it was better). Though I do know quite a few who didn’t like the season just as you did, so your opinion is fine.