Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20150201074641/@comment-1037137-20150303081925

Indeed, we all had our "fun" there, but now that that recurring headache has been dealt with, back to business.

Absolutely not. And these are cancerous traits and ideas that have slowly but surely been killing a show that can be so much better than this, and was instead dragged to a point where if not for the most recent season, it might've been sunk for good. I do believe that some of their main players in the studio might very well be deluded, their idea of what comedy is is just twisted and flat out unpleasant; in several obvious instances, downright offensive. I just feel disgust at them, how can you as a trained professional not recognize the problems in the things you're writing? And fail to take into account how the audience as a whole will receive them, what insensitive implications there may be in the greater context? For me, the excuse that "It's called Total Drama" is completely invalid. Even drama has a right way and a wrong way of being done. This isn't the same context as real-life reality TV, on those you can't script what real individuals do. In animation, you're supposed to create characters who have an appeal to the viewers and make them want to follow how these characters unfold, and once you've screwed that up, once Flanderization/Derailment sets in, things can spiral out of control. Being animatiors, they should know that. Here it's like they've never seen any case where one serious misstep with one or more characters landed a show in hot water whether it was for entire seasons or one episode. You screw up with the characters you created that people have grown attached to, everything will suffer somehow for it. They ought to know that. It's common sense that they lack in their misguided efforts to reap that extra drama. Highly toxic drama that doesn't give a rat's *** how it affects the flow of the story or of the integrity of the characters involved. The title should not be a freaking excuse for this sort of thing. So when I hear people reply with "It's called Total Drama" in the face of that problem when it's address, I call it pure bull crap.

That is probably true, which probably makes the entire catastrophe surrounding Courtney even worse. Like I said, character-killing episodes have no place in any series, so what in the Hell was this we were put through? That's always going to burn me in a way no other episode has. Okay, as far as the interns are concerned, that may not be the worst they've been put through, but Lord is it disgusting. It's not funny watching people starve, literally starving. Nor is it funny to dwell on how long Chris was depriving them of food for that challenge. Crap like this has just made the gag surrounding the intern abuse wear out its welcome as far as I personally am concerned. It's yet again more ways they have abused black comedy in a way where the actual comedy is in no way present. Made far worse by the fact that the contestants are getting it worse than ever now. I really should've added this to my "Worst Running Gag" poll over on DeviantArt. Seriously.

You and me both man, and that just makes them seem like complete hypocrites. They reworked things in the wake of the disaster in Japan for ROTI, but decided to forego that for everything else through the writing process? Disregard for the fans and abusing their exploitation or a mental disorder was all A-Okay still? Making the entire season feel like a waste of time and cranking the cruelty factor up to eleven was all completely excusable? How dare they? How dare they write and release those three episodes?

I swear, those three are episodes they should never be allowed to forget. Shame on them if they take any pride in them whatsoever, what they did was wrong.

We absolutely do. I'm not done pushing the case on that question, we absolutely do not deserve to be left in the lurch on that question waiting for an answer that has bothered and upset so many fans since it took place. Again, people care about these characters, the fans cared, these were popular and beloved characters, and this is the note you leave us on when the show is now officially in hiatus? Which could be for another one to two years or more? It doesn't matter at all what their reasons or mindset were, it does not matter what their plans are for the next future season........You do not ever do that to your fans. You may not love the characters you put out for them to watch, the characters you created, but the fandom absolutely does. And I don't intend to let them forget that, they are going to understand that this taking advantage of the fandom's loyalty to their creation and that it was a shameful thing to do regardless of what their intentions at the time or for the future were. If you want to appeal to kids, fine. But where in the Hell does it say this is the way to do it? THIS is how you intend to appeal to them? It makes no sense whatsoever, and to pretty much tell everyone else to piss off while they patronize their kid audience like that is beyond offensive. We are not being forced to wait years for an answer. Not without them knowing the injustice of it.

You got it man, and that's also heinous, why can't the entire cast get a proper sendoff in these finales until the next time anymore? It just defies everything they'd worked towards in establishing the series. I think The Final Wreck-ening was intentionally insulting. They'd have to be idiots to write that and not think it would get any sort of bad press for all the painfully obvious reasons. I don't know what's going on in their heads, but it's time for a bracing reality check. And I don't mind that Mike and Zoey have taken so much heat, they were Fresh TV's excuse to commit the majority of these abuses and for that, let the fandom continue venting against them so that they don't ever feel tempted to pull that stunt again.

I think it's an entirely legitimate example under that trope. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of how such an idea even came about.

I will. This week.

Anticipate the beginning of the SMS thread over there by week's end then, this weekend by the latest. I'll get my thoughts in order and when it becomes a full discussion, I hope to hear from you. We need some unbiased voices to hit the point home. There are lots of embittered fans who would very much like for this episode never to have existed in the first place.

I'm sure that's the case, but such stuff should not be coming into play or being made so ridiculously obvious in the scripts they write, or worse driving the entire script! You can't call yourself a professional if that's your game. I don't know how it got by, but the fact that it did is ample cause to be alarmed. We gotta make sure they clamp down on that for the next time they even consider another season again. The whole "It's for kids" excuse holds no water with acts like this, where they betray our trust, betray their own work, are needlessly cruel and just dash the hopes many fans had. Gotta find out what happened, and make them understand that that excuse has its limits and that it cannot cover their hides for every misstep they've taken. It may be the Word of God, so to speak, but I think we all know it's BS. Ruining a character a lot of people still love and making her even worse for the detractors? The lack of any concern for the fans or for their show's own integrity here is astonishing. I'm sure to call it out when the discussion begins.

Learning about the huge amount of executive meddling in TDWT had a lot to do with it. And I've been pessimistic about the series ever since TDWT. It was the executives who forced that love triangle yarn according to Tom McGillis, which was a pretty outrageous revelation. And it told me that a lot of bull crap was going on behind the scenes and liable to affect TDAS. I'm not positive how much executive meddling was behind TDAS, aside from a few factors like the shortened intro and lower episode count, but I do see an enormous amount of callous incompetence in the screenwriting process. I wish I was wrong about TDAS, but alas. With these people, it's hard to hope or anything good anymore. Straight out, they're absolutely terrible at what they do and have no sense of priority or imagination at all.

If another Unholy Trinity takes place, we might as well write off the whole show. I don't even want to speculate how you can surpass the horridness of those three episodes, and they'll be doing themselves in if they allow that to happen again. God, I pray they are not planning on letting it happen again. I've never had any episodes of any series anger me like those three did. I'm still angry. And I hope everyone else is still angry too, they're just deplorable.

I wasn't aware of the "Chris McLean" cameo until the other day, the Hell was that about? Don't we get enough of him in his own show?

I did not see it, I read and listened to feedback from friends. But I definitely am not the least bit impressed. Even my pal, who is still a fan of the series, doesn't think of the episode as much of a crossover deal at all. Besides, I'm not sure you'd be too pleased to hear what the creators had to say about the whole thing. They are way too content with how they've carried out this ridiculous premise. Their focus is the kids, not us. I don't think they're taking the longtime fans very seriously. This is clearly just another typical episode in the lot. And for the love of God, WHY did they have to draw the girls like that?

I'll just count my blessings that I am not obligated in the slightest to watch any of that crap. It doesn't deserve my time. (Yeah, I can be an unforgiving critic.....)