Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141228235252/@comment-1037137-20150101071755

And now I shall give you a proper, full response. And I MUSt apologize for the length of this full response. ^^;

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Yeah seriously man, that is an issue that needs to be addressed more. And it's clearly a sore point for a lot of fans, whether you're a fan of one, the other, both, or even neither. Because like I said, it's far too often in the forefront and as you plainly acknowledged later in your response, they had and still have massive fan followings, so it is extremely unfair to be doing this to any of us repeatedly at our expense, there is no logic, no common sense, and nothing to be gained in any of this BS that has gone on in the destruction of Gwen and Courtney's characters, the two who easily have had it the worst of all the derailed characters throughout this series.

Yeah, and you know what you're a very smart guy and you know what's going on here, you sum up a lot of these matters better than myself often; maybe some time this coming year we ought to try to address that matter together, pool our resources. I mean yes I've commented heavily on the matter throughout myself, but backing each other up could further reinforce our case, and in any case it needs to be kept fresh in the consciences of the show staff so that they do not forget and cannot get the chance to handwave what is representative and central to what is a series-wide problem. What do you think? Maybe we could try it some time. Or not. Guess I'm just thinking aloud right now. ^^; ---

Oh let's hope not, man. We cannot afford anymore of that kind of writing from people like MacDonald or some of the other writers who remain active if this show's to get its act together. This sort of thing simply can't be tolerated anymore, this kind of writing clearly has nothing but the worst intentions in mind.

Gwameron and Sampher are in the same boat, they are stupid, illogical, and preposterous crack pairings that have nothing backing them up despite the ravings of some of the most hardcore crack shippers. And I don't appreciate the show making nods to them or other pairings like Doey or Scourtney (That definitely still counts as a crack ship) just to pander to the kids, I mean you gotta realize that once you go too far with that in a show that was not designed for kids that young at first, then it's going to lead to problems and jarring shifts in tone that mess with a working formula and ends up alienating everybody. I don't care what their excuses are, even romance has to have some sort of logic behind it in fiction. It can't be pure shipper fuel. As for Gwen, I actually enjoyed her at first despite her hit-or-miss portrayal,  but now I see she was all over the place. It was maddening, the crew doesn't know their own characters at all, do they? That's absolutely 'unacceptable. 'Not only extremely unlikable and unsympathetic by the end, but merely a shadow of her former self, Goth In Name Only. True, she's closer to Zoey in her TDAS form than Sky is, based on what I know of her. Not a good way to go considering Zoey's poor reception.

I LOVED that trio, those girls were the best together. They had a superb chemistry and a superb friendship, and they seriously need to be brought back in their old glory. Trios like that are what work. Trios like Zoke are ones to avoid, they were far too tied together, too goody-goody, too overly moral and perfect, and in the case of at least one too politically incorrect for their own good. No more Zoke, get powerhouse trios like Gwen-LeShawna-Bridgette back. They were dynamic, three-dimensional, and very entertaining.

Well no doubt man, Moon Madness was an unmitigated disaster. Outside of the Unholy Trinity, it is usually the next one cited as one of the worst TDAS episodes.

It demands the question man, it demands answers. Hell, those episodes demand a freaking apology for what happened, because all three proved to be an enormous insult to the audience oun countless levels. And yeah, those instances of TDPI are guilty of the same offenses and as I said, such trends can no longer be tolerated. Dumbing down and villifying the characters as constantly as they do has been an absolutely damaging and unproductive tactic. We have to be firm in our resistance to the trend and let them know that we are done suffering through that kind of crap. I mean nearly every fan has a complaint related to this very issue regarding multiple characters. And I'm glad you made that point, Gwen and Courtney still have massive and devoted followings, and many fans do want their redemption and for them to do well once more like in TDI, and many people do often call for them to return to their TDI selves, I see it all the time. On every forum, such hopes are regularly expressed regarding those two. I mean why is it that the crew has zoomed in on these two as their punching bags, what sort of deal do they have against these characters? It's obviously not out of affection, there's no affection shown in how thoroughly they've distorted both on a constant basis. And whether you love them or hate them, it's pretty sick what they're doing, and impossible to ignore. The central appeal of any show is as you said, the CHARACTERS. And one thing every writer needs to understand is that once you start messing and screwing with characters who are beloved by many and have strong followings, they WILL pick up on it and they WILL speak up about it. And these two have had it so bad, and their fan followings have had it bad as a result; simply put, enough is enough.

Gwen was a horrific mess throughout the final episodes. And yes, her stupidity in that particular episode is pretty infuriating. I'm already convinced nothing was edited or proofread by anybody through the process of this season, it's the only reason so much bull**** got stuffed into one season, and such blatant fan disservice left unchecked. Seems like a lot of the destructive decisions they made in how they handled these guys were deliberate. No one in their right mind would look at any of what was in these episodes and think it was okay to put out.

If you got something else to move on to, I'm open bro.

Thanks for the notification, I'll keep an eye out for it. Note me though so that I can't possibly miss it by mistake.

And once again, you too, thanks :D