Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141008061648/@comment-24152851-20141009230626

I sometimes don't like certain antagonists, because I'm not appealed by extremely cruel characters who cross the moral event horizon, I guess Heather and Courtney are the only antagonists to get some redemption (excluding TDAS Villain Decay of Alejandro and Scott, which doesn't count). Tbh, I probably would've liked Courtney, but her derailment stems much earlier from TDAS, so it feels like its more part of her actual personality. Though I do enjoy her at times, she's mostly neutral to me.

You've done a bit of psychology it seems? I'm not guaranteeing TDPI having any therapeutic effects, but I think it might help to shift your current mindset that "Total Drama ≠ All-Stars".

Most people just automatically accuse Zoey fans of being ignorant, but I'm pretty sure you know fully well all that's wrong with her. I always viewed Zoey as being a more action-y Bridgette. I know her character was ploughed over in TDAS, but looking past all of the crap done with the writing, I found it hard to hate her. I mean she's so similar to Bridgette, but she doesn't get anywhere near as much backlash. The main argument I hear is that she has no personality and she's boring, I hate to admit it by I agree. But I'm trying to push Fresh to give her a personality other than one-track "niceness". When I first came onto this wiki Megaman hacked me to pieces for trying to defend Zoey, though back then I hadn't grasped the concept of "godplaying".

Jayden told me you tore him a new one for making an "Anti Zoey" club, I just couldn't help laughing when I heard that. xD

I'm not saying Mike has to return as a screenhog, he can just be fodder for one episode, and doesn't even have to be a contestant. He just needs to appear on screen one more time, after that he never ever has to return.

Looking back now, there once was a time when I did like Mike, but these days the more I think about it the more I just cannot why I did. There just doesn’t seem to be anything that isn’t wrong with his character (and I'm not just talking about the obvious offensive disorder stuff). I know its shallow to bash a character's design, but he looks as though he's an anorexic, and the length of his fingers are out of proportion to the rest of him, and he has the weirdest hair that is longer than his head. Also his voice sounds like a girl's, not to mention his relationship with Zoey is so stupid and unnatural it’s just ... ugh. I guess, I didn't hate him as a real-life person, but his character could not possibly get any worse.

Now that you put it that way, I think my hatred for Bloody Sundae just grew a lot more. I never considered it like that, it was a "character killing episode", designed for the sole purpose to plough Courtney's character even further, and that is just unforgivable. After that it's quite clear that Ed Macdonald is Anti-Courtney, daring to thrash a character like that. I swear even Gollum-School wasn't screwed over that badly in TDWT.

The balloon thing was just so stupid. How the hell are balls of rubber filled with Owen's methane supposed to break the f***ing atmosphere?! WTF was Terry McGurrin trying to pull with that, was he under the impression that the contestants choking on Owen's farts, or Chris's one-liner: "Probably should've tied those down" was supposed to be funny? Though I'm not sure if you've heard, but Julie (or someone else from Fresh) did confirm that the floated contestants aren't dead.

I originally thought the same for Zeek and find. Just like Bloody Sundae was a Courtney killing episode, this one was a Cameron-killing episode. Dumbed down, turned "villainous", and to top it all of they physically break him. At least he wasn't painted to be the embodiment of evil like Courtney was. Though it was the episode which every Cameron hater draws on to incessantly bash him, I guess it didn't receive as much backlash because there's so many Cam-haters who were glad to see him go. Sidetracking a bit here, that's one thing that really ticks me off. People always blame the season/writers if a character they like gets derailed, but if it's a character they hate (esp. Cameron) then they just say that's how their character always is. When Heather was dumbed down in Eggspects Spanish Opposition, everyone's like "the episode was so terrible as it massively derailed her, and she's not really like that", but when it comes to Cameron they'll immediately be like "he's so dumb, he studied Mike for a season and didn't realize Mal was in control". Bias much?

Could I ask why you don’t like TDWT? Aside from the triangle and Freakzekiel, I thought it was mostly alright, and it was pretty much Heather’s season.