Thread:Fire Eater/@comment-1037137-20140121052431/@comment-1037137-20140205182136

I know we do, but man it's hard putting up with that kind of raving sometimes, I really don't think that represents our concerns and complaints in a good way when we get into a mode when what we're doing is not critiquing, but outright bashing. Often just for the sake of bashing. We're all entitled to our views, but there's gotta be better ways to make them known without overkilling. And if we're going to complain about the show's various facets, several of which are severely flawed as most already known, well then let's focus our energies on really tackling the most far-reaching failures that best capture the full scope of the show's worst and most damaging trends. It's better than flame-baiting ourselves and each other with what more often than not just comes off as heated biases. But I'm getting ahead of myself, I do know what you're getting at.

I thought that was what it was going to be, an "apology" of sorts for the events of TDA and TDWT which left a lot of people feeling cold. But no. They made us wait three bloody years for this, a season that's easily worse than either of those two and multiplied the problems of those seasons tenfold. It didn't even try to preserve its redeeming factors, instead it trashed them all at the season's climax without a second thought. They actually had the nerve to think we'd be okay with that? Somebody actually said that this season was ready to be released in this truly horrendous state? This came off as a poor man's fanfiction, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it was. Just a really, really bad fanfiction from someone who barely understands the show at all or any of its characters, or really cares to exploit them in a way that's both interesting and positive. To them, these characters are just drama dogs.

I really don't think so, the problem simply is that the crew has abused and exploited these characters repeatedly in ways that have just left us all at a loss for words. The problem is not that they can't be redeemed, the problem is the people behind the show aren't attempting to do so. And they had the gall to make us believe some of them were getting a redemption only to throw it away at the end each time. How dare they deceive us like that? I not only felt ripped off, I felt like I had been lied to, that I had been deliberately misled and been filled with false hope. That's how I feel.

And the fart humor has GOT to go. Feral Zeke has GOT to go. All of these old BS conflicts and repeat storylines that already played out have GOT to go. The truly crass and cruel overtones of the show have GOT to be toned down. Even by TDI and even TDA standards, it's gotten way out of control. I'm not having fun with this, I spend each episode just hoping to get through okay without some outrageous twist or 180 coming back to undo anything I'm enjoying. It's hard to watch it now without feeling a need to prepare for the worst, since this show just keeps pulling one dirty trick after another, most of them the products of what is obviously bad writing.

Exactly, that's right, exactly. It can't just be drama. There has to be the friendships, relationships, alliances, etc. and it all needs a balance. TDI did this so well the first time around and there was no shortage of drama in that season. TDI did it right. And it did so without straying into total derailment territory. Why can't we get a TDI sequel that can do the same just as effectively? I mean I can go back and rewatch any episode of TDI and I'll likely enjoy all of them as I did the first time I saw them. With the majority of the later seasons, I'm hard-pressed to do that, and the episodes I do like just get undermined later. This show needs that balance that TDI pulled off so well like you said. That's what the show needs most of all.