Thread:Fire Eater/@comment-24152851-20141126042007/@comment-1037137-20141209041235

TVTropes is always ripe for expansion and on any page where Total Drama is a relevant example, there's a lot to say about this show. Of course, that's not the only thing I focus on there, I go wherever there's editing to be done.

That sounds like a pretty accurate assesment. That's definitely the present reality for these guys and their followings. And yes, the ROTI cast has been forever marred by the Trio due to the hate they have received for allegedly bringing down two seasons, mostly All-Stars though. And it's impossible to dispute their case for the latter season, but it's more a Your Mileage May Vary deal with ROTI. I'm on the side that still found plenty of redeeming value in ROTI even if I'm no longer a strong fan of those three characters, but you can still make the argument that obvious fan favorites like Brick, Dakota, Jo, and even the more divisive Dawn and Anne Maria had the makings to be far more interesting than those three. Although Cameron probably receives an unfair amount of flak for his role in ROTI. I'm sure you'll agree with me that Cameron was mostly pretty good in ROTI. TDAS is to blame for his new Scrappy status. The ROTI cast, save for a few obvious ones actually isn't so gimmicky which is good. And that is a problem with the TDPI cast, some of the guys we just mentioned and discussed were too one-note to really leave an impact. Personally I'd rather have a full cast of very interesting (And likable) characters regardless of whether they last two, fifteen, or twenty episodes, rather than a cast where a large chunk of them are solely designed as one-off gimmicks.

Fair enough. I understand. But if there are writers who have shown the kind of track record that Terry McGurrin has, then I am going to zero in on their work and critique their approach because if they're the ones sticking around, I see ample cause to be concerned about the quality control in this series. He's not the only writer who's work I've taken severe issue with, you know who the others are who I feel lack the balance or thoughtfulness needed to maintain the integrity of the plot and characters even with the emphasis on drama.

Was he though? Because I never got the impression that Owen was fully alert about the fact that he was in fact in a competition. Dude's too much of a goof in his later appearances to understand the competitive nature of his surroundings. Okay, so he won one season and has had several reappearances but unlike other characters who still have plot and a lot more depth, Owen has the advantage of neither so he is essentially dead weight. He's no longer a vital part of this series, and honestly gets pretty annoying when he continues resurfacing. They've had their fun with him, but so long as he's relegated strictly to fart humor, he's in truth a nonessential factor. And I won't even get started on his most recent cameo, which I heard CN had to pay Scott McCord to get in because one way or another, they were going to get their thirty seconds of Owen come hell or high water, even if the guy possibly wasn't even interested in reprising Owen again in the first place (Hence his absence from All-Stars). Yeah, brilliant and totally necessary addition there.