Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141008061648/@comment-1037137-20141010005517

Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from there, Stryzzar. I don't like it either, you know the cruelty in this series, be it from the characters or from its new brand of "humor" if you can even call it that is one of my biggest gripes against the show as it currently stands, especially if it's from characters who weren't known for it or are constantly the victims of it. Heather did get some redemption as she kind of has no choice but to play fair nowadays, and Courtney can be redeemed, the only problem is that somebody in there keeps finding a p***-poor excuse to botch it up. Which aggravates me to no end. I can see why you may not like her but I loved her much earlier in the series and even in parts of TDWT so I still hope she gets the redemption she keeps being denied. That's my stance, anyway.

Part of me does NOT want to shift away from that mindset, man. Because I'm working to try to appeal for a change in direction that might help the series get back on track, for our concerns to hopefully be addressed by the time the next season comes so that TDAS cannot be repeated. I need it as a reminder of what we're trying to achieve here with our feedback. I mean yeah, I want this season erased from my memory and from existence, but my goal is making sure more seasons like this don't emerge if I can say anything that sees to that. Besides, I'm not ready for TDPI yet. My interest in it is pretty low right now.

Well we are not like that, many of us are not anyway. And I don't like our side being held to that assumption when we voice support for Zoey. Believe me, I am all too aware of how problematic a character she truly is, and she was way overhyped and overplayed in TDAS without any effort at her character development at all, she did not deserve to be a finalist, I don't know who wanted that Mike vs. Zoey finale so badly, but it did not pay off in the end. It was a pathetic stunt. But I still can't hate her, bad writing is what's killing what potential she might've had when first created, and like I said I find more to like about her in Revenge than in All-Stars. But yeah, her personality leaves way too much to be desired, no thanks to a lack of insight into her backstory and her damned relationship with Mike. And yes, she godplayed. Oh my God, did she godplay. She won like what, six challenges in a thirteen-episode season? NO. JUST NO. Not even Heather had that kind of winning streak, and what was the point of her winning so many damn times? Did that really help their case at all? TDAS did Zoey no favors. But I still think she can be repaired somewhat as a more low-key character in a future season, since there is no cause to play her up like that again anymore. And to attempt a third go at it would be asking for trouble, I think.

Stryzzar...........Do me a favor, and never ever speak of that again. That's an incident that I still deeply regret.

Seeing the hatedom Mike's amassed, I think a cameo would get people crying foul. You have to admit bringing him back in any capacity is like arming a grenade now.

Me too, I can no longer justify my old liking for Mike, and after he tore down a whole season with that stupid Mal thing, I am so done with him. There's a lot to hate about Mike and how he's been handled, it's amazing that he actually has a fandom left. I mean a whole season suffered from the focus on him, among other things, but a lot of the bull**** they pulled is tied to advancing him farther in the game, which as a countless many of us have said was not worthwhile in the end. Especially owing to his lack of personality. So yeah, there's not enough to Mike to justify his return. Even if I were still a fan of him, I dunno if I really would have any serious, dying need for him to return. And nowadays since TDAS I refuse to accept such a comeback because he's an interference to everything else around him.

That episode ENRAGED me. I was so furious when it aired because it was a character-killing episode, and it was profoundly anti-Courtney, they weren't even trying to hide it. That episode came out of the blue and utterly destroyed all of her development in the season and rendered all of her major arcs, primarily those she shared with Scott and Gwen completely pointless, it was like a big a**pull just for the sake of yanking our chains. How do you excuse something like that? It's a viciously cruel and contrived episode that was out to villify Courtney so suddenly and completely at the cost of all of her character development just to justify her elimination, and it's hard not to feel sorry for her when she leaves an utter wreck as a result. She was finally back on track, and then they made a monster out of her just to justify what seriously feels like a torture p*** episode. The humor was far too cruel to be funny, it was a slap in the face to everything the season had invested itself in, it ruined Courtney for all who were enjoying her at the time, all who were rooting for her redemption, and for her to exit so thoroughly ruined and sad was nothing short of insulting. It's a nightmare to sit through, it's not just a stupid and contrived episode for nearly everything else in it but this episode was clearly designed for the purpose of destroying a character and nothing else. There have been plenty of episodes where you can argue that they were out to wreck the classic characters, but there's no argument what this one was designed for, they weren't at all subtle about it. Her character was screwed over horribly and once agan given a horrifically uncalled for departure from the season, and everyone on both sides had some very nasty things to say about the episode.

You may recall that it was this episode that triggered the ongoing backlash that followed. Plus, I do hear Ed MacDonald really didn't research the series at all and that the producers themselves are not proud of this episode. So I heard, anyway. I'm telling you, it's a painful thing to sit through, I'm still appalled that they actually went through with it.

They had given her redemption, and they took it all away. And I am fed up that they keep pulling the rug out from under us when it comes to redeeming the originals.

Anyway, sorry if I carried on too much about that point, hard not to rant against that thing.

I have no idea what he or the others were thinking, and I really want to find out what it was they were thinking! That was a TERRIBLE cliffhanger, where did all of our favorites end up!? Did anybody really want to see that???? How do you even cook up a scene like that or pass it off as funny? It's not funny in the least man, not at all you are right. It's just overly cruel and stupid, and the fact that they refused to say anything about if they were okay when a sixth season is not confirmed is f***ing insulting. I have lost sleep over this episode because of that, serious confession: I have lost sleep dwelling on this scene because I am that sickened by how far they go with the cruelty to the cast, and I really want to know if they are okay. And I hate being forced to wait for that answer. Yes, I know they are still alive, but if I come back to hear they've been floating up there that whole time for God knows how long, somebody's going to get an earful. Stupidest and most uncalled for scene in the entire series. I HATE that episode.

You are right. That episode made a complete mess of Cameron and made his forgettable participation an insufferable one for that one episode. And it was so stupid and pointless, nothing came of him kissing Courtney, nothing came of him helping Mal except Mal advancing one more episode. He knew Mal was trouble but still took his side? WTH, writers! Who wrote this and who didn't edit it?

Yes, bias is definitely at play a lot of the time, that's something I'm used to seeing in this fandom. Like it or not, Cameron is one hell of a base breaker. But I think a lot of people were still disgusted at the massive plotholes of that episode as you pointed so many of them out. I don't think the haters appreciate the bad writing behind characters they hate anymore than that behind the characters they like.

Well the love triangle IS my primary reason for hating it, along with Duncan's entire role in it and how the characters suffered and were derailed for the entire bloody deal. Also hypocritical and confusing of Teletoon to use it as a way to show "young couples don't last" only to justify an act of extreme unfaithfulness and betrayal for drama's sake. Screw that. Also, Team Victory was pathetically wasted here, I wanted to see them do better, Bridgette got screwed over again, DJ got screwed over, Noah and Tyler got screwed over, and Sierra is annoying as f***. And the stupid cliffhanger at the end of the finale.

The season DOES have its good points, especially in the first half.........But there's a lot to hate about it.