Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141228235252/@comment-1037137-20141230052537

It really does honest to God feel like that somebody has some sort of sick vendetta against these two, the exploitation of both characters has gone far beyond the extremes and is a level you should NEVER stoop to as a writer. Their derailments have been so constant and so devastating and frustrating to watch that most of us can't stand it. Whether you love them or despise them, I don't think there's much argument that it's gone too far in how they've been handled since TDA. And it's impossible to ignore as those derailments are always at the forefront; who is actively desiring to see this play out every time they appear? The writers have taken a bad situation that never had to be such a big deal and have just exacerbated the issue to the nth degree; most characters have been derailed at one point or another, but they got to be the ones to have had it the worst. Just once, can we see them get and KEEP their positive development, to have a good outcome? Because this is just sickening to see play out with any character. Redemption is the key word here and it needs to be a priority, no fan deserves to be put through the trials of seeing their favorites constantly pulverized by whatever psychotic crusade these writers clearly are on.

Ed MacDonald was unfit for his role and never ever should have been here. I hear people liked his two episodes to TDPI, but I have heard very bad things about this man and about his relationship with the rest of the staff even. And why in hell would you bring some rookie aboard during an all-star season, where it really counted for them to get it all right in what was designed as an alleged fan favorite season? Not that this season has anything that made it deserving of the title "All-Stars", but I'm sure you get what I mean. And his contributions to All-Stars were deplorable, I have never seen the kind of bad taste and bad judgement I have seen with TDAS, and some of the most hated episodes of that season, and one of the worst episodes period were written by his hand, that certainly will prove a black mark on his resume. Whether people like his last two episodes or not, whether he does handle brand new characters better than old ones, the things I have seen from and heard about the man make me hopeful that the rumors are true and that he was let go. I'm sorry, but his work was just loathsome, and again I've heard very bad things about him.

She got a helluva lot less fun as it continued to drag out, yeah. She just got messier and messier as it carried onward but it's in the post-merge episodes that she really became a nightmare. And arguably, her relationship with the Trio fully played against her in the long run, and now she can't escape the stigma of being the unofficial "fourth" member of the group. And Gwen x Cameron, uggggh! It's just a dumb idea, I don't know what else to say but it is a STUPID idea. That's the kind of crap the hardcore shippers of any fandom seizes upon and blows up to the nth degree, is that something to be encouraging? This would be too nonsensical and uncomfortable if they were to by some scary twist of fate take it seriously and make it the next big thing surrounding Gwen. That would be another line crossed. Gwen and Zoey's friendship was semi-okay AT FIRST, but I am really pissed off at how it usurped the focus on Gwen and Courtney's reconciliation. That was dead wrong of them. Yeah, Gwen and Courtney's relationship was too awkward for a lot of people's taste, I get that, I didn't like it either, that's why it should've been played closer to how it was in TDWT where it was much more natural and sensible, because I really wanted this reconciliation to be seen through to the end. And I don't appreciate them faking us out like they did, I mean how dare they. How dare they do that to us at the last minute, it's like we never should have been invested in anything about this season at all! And I think that's a pretty big insult to any fandom.

Zoey seems to have become a walking stigma over time and is just as heavily blamed for the show's recent decline as Mike is. People seem to think she poisons other characters in they interact with her. Sad that the writers seemed to keep vindicating those claims all throughout her run. Zoey never ever had to be this controversial. It should never have come to that for any character.

All excellent ideas man, though I think Dakota has other untapped potential as well. All of those are great thoughts that all could have contributed to stronger stories, stronger interactions, and perhaps a better season. Yeah, no effort was given to make the Trio appealing to anyone beyond the kids. So long as they connected to the kids, effort was an afterthought. Pathetic, really. Way to break it for themselves in the end, creating an impossibly bad situation for themselves when they had infinitely more popular and interesting characters to focus on.

Nothing was accomplished by that thing, even the overdue end of Gwuncan doesn't save it, it was so badly played out. There's a reason it was instantly one of the most loathed entries in the season. I don't think it was the ultimate in derailments as you said, forgive me; that's a dishonor that goes to the final three episodes. But that episode was definitely a sign of worse things to come, and not just at hands of the guy who wrote it as his debuting episode but at the hands of the rest of the team.

You're absolutely right, and this season should be clear evidence why that sort of thing cannot be allowed to go unchecked as it has been for too long, we ended up with this because the issue had not been treated seriously enough before it became the defining flaw of this season. And this was openly insulting how they just let it play out like this regardless of who was watching or how anyone would react to it. That episode is undeniably anti-Courtney, they aren't even subtle about it, and as controversial and divisive a character as she is, that was all the more reason why this episode shouldn't have been made, and as you said once before no character should ever be put through a clearly destructive debacle as this. No I'm not asking you to forgive her actions in the episode, but at the same time there's no excuse for how out of control the derailments have gotten for something like this to slip under the radar. This like other episodes in the season should've been stopped before they were put out. It was a harrowing ordeal to sit through and it just bugs the f***ing hell out of me that they pulled such a d*** move against us, with any of these characters in any episode of this season, it's just disgusting no matter what side of the spectrum you fall on. Her character has suffered tremendously, she has no balance like she did in TDI or in TDWT's first half, they've just exploited the living hell out of her to no productive outcome, and again created a needlessly bad situation for all sides. She is a punching bag of the creators and that absolutely has to end, even many of her most vocal haters did not come to this episode's defense, which is indicative of how awful it truly is. The outrage that night was loud and clear.

Well, personally I stopped rooting for Gwen after SMS, after that I just didn't give a f*** anymore about anything, for me that was the final insult. I just wanted the ***damn season to end as that unholy trinity contrinued to drag out. Gwen's rapid fall from grace only made it worse on top of Courtney's own fall. And characters I previously defended like Zoey...........You won't see me defending her much these days.

The Bold and the Booty-ful is just garbage. They just reduced her to an afterthought by the conclusion of that episode, and made her an eyerolling mess that has led to a dramatic loss in her previous popularity. They obviously didn't care or the events of these last episodes would never have been kept in the script. Zoke was the sole focus and that killed the entire season. Nobody was happy to see what became of Gwen in this season, and she's definitely one of its main points of criticism in the year since it aired.

Yup. Acid. Salt would've been far too merciful, this way the wound would be guaranteed never to heal. This one was yet another massive clusterf***.

Nobody in their right mind would possibly look at this episode and call it an acceptable last note to anything or any sort of "love letter" to the fans who have much higher standards than this season or finale probably thought we did. Whatever happened that led up to this disaster, it is absolutely unforgivable and nobody has any right to be proud of anything in this thing. This show has pulled some pretty loathsome pole jokes through the years and this one is no exception. Again it's another instance where Gwen was loathsome and the writing just insulting the audience's better tastes and intelligence. And boy, what kids are they taking feedback from in the demographic they're so eager to suck up to? I'm quite sure most kids demand better just like us older fans do. Either way, Gwen was as deplorable as anything else in this thing. Can't believe Megan Fahlenbock was asked to recite those freaking lines.

Yeah, but that just makes it that much more depressing.........And infuriating, over how far she has fallen since her former glory.