Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20150613022102/@comment-1037137-20150815080116

Phew, sorry for this late response man, I really should've gotten around to this sooner as I usually try to make a point of doing. I don't know how free you are right now given your schedule but either way I wanted to leave you my overdue reply to what you said when we last left off. Hope we can resume properly later.

Okay, yeah. Alejandro's clip was not particularly impressive and some may argue that he and Heather got way too sappy with each other in the season's final moments. Yeah okay, that's probably a fair argument. Still, all by itself that clip is mostly inoffensive. On the upside, Heather is unharmed. Having a clip where it's implied she's horribly mauled, with the added "bonus" of not being able to defend herself because of some stupid old gag they recycled is absolutely not very funny. Heather's enormously popular, but even if she wasn't that is some sick stuff. I think we can agree that any fan who wishes death on a character is being extremely irrational. So what gives the writers a right to pass off implied death as a joke, one that clearly isn't played like lighthearted slapstick but legit torment? I seriously do believe that they do not recognize the limits of what they can get away with before they cross that line.

Yeah me too man, I could've lived without seeing the rest, I was severely irked by several of them running the unfunny s*** even further when we already had so much derailment and defamation going on. Part of me believes that it is not a coincidence that even though they all existed, their releases were cut off after a certain point. Part of me is really tempted to believe that once they started receiving flak for the final quarter of the season, they withheld the remainder we got last month. Because honestly.........What other reason could their possibly be for not releasing them all when you had already done so up to a point and then suddenly stopped? I probably sound like a conspiracy loon, I'm sure. But what do you think? The only other reason I can possibly accept is........laziness. I dunno, I think the backlash played a part.

No episode should EVER target a character the way SMS targeted Courtney. Okay, there ARE some very good reasons why people don't like her, but I don't accept justification of any episode that goes out of its way to dismantle and demolish a character, something that has been known to cause outrage on other shows that have made that mistake. And all it did was aggravate the very reasons why people don't like her and why she's considered derailed by so many. By suddenly and inexplicably reigniting all of her negative traits in what just felt like an attack on the character, by the staff at that which is even worse in perspective, and tossing aside all that development that was for the most part played relatively straight just to justify this elimination. Which was an unnecessarily brutal one at that, and not in the least bit funny as far as I'm concerned. She probably should've gotten harsher karma in TDA, but that was a long time ago, and so was TDWT where she got a lot of crap. No honest effort to do anything different with her agreeable to her fandom has been maintained, which is truly unfair to those who do enjoy her and to those who can't stand her overblown antics and inconsistency. The way I figure unless you're a proud hater, both sides lose. And with her and others like Gwen and Duncan being so central to so much of what has happened, the matter has become impossible to simply glance over. And come on, why must we keep going through these same motions? Is positive character development really an unreasonable desire? Even for polarizing characters like these? I think it's the solution to a longstanding gripe that has been aggravated for too long by the people at the drawing board. And this episode simply had no buildup and no justification for this kind of sudden turn. You can't just throw all of that growth away and then do this, it made for an enormously unpleasant viewing that has gone down as one of the biggest complaints against All-Stars, even before the reset button ever showed its face. And the disgust was pretty apparent nearly everywhere you went that month. Sure, some may argue this is just part of Courtney's nature, but that shouldn't be an excuse to pass off the chance for positive growth all over again, I mean after all, isn't the big thing people thought was missing here character *development*? That's the point, development. Which has been deemed to be in the red for many characters by many fans.

Yeah that clip just adds salt to the wound inflicted by an already disgusting and highly manipulative episode. I knew that f'ing sundae would survive, and I just want to smack someone for having made it so. I don't care if it is a show, this is them deliberately disgracing and demolishing a character with ZERO upsides to anything in her situation or for those who actually thought that maybe this time, something good would come to pass to alleviate all the polarization and frustration her wildly inconsistent characterization has caused. Instead we get this unfunny clip that tries to take something needlessly cruel and play it for a laugh. I was not laughing, I was angry when I saw that. I still am, for me that's it, I don't want to see anymore of this s*** playing out for Courtney or any other character, I'm sick of it. And I've been meaning for weeks to express to them directly why this was so upsetting to watch. Just killed whatever purpose she had for being in this season and sends her off on a profoundly dissatisfying note. And why should that have been the case, you know what I mean Stryzzar? Not just blatant character cruelty, but badly timed karma, in a season where it was not warranted and yet had to invent a situation to justify dishing it out in a manner far worse than what the average character has received. Characters like Al and Scott suffering life-threatening injuries is NOT funny, but neither is a character crying in despair. It just is not funny. To play something like this as funny. It's not over the top or dramatic or comedic, it's just plain vile.

And I want to know why they failed to anticipate the anger that followed these derailments. You can't be blind writing this stuff for your audience. You cannot afford to be this ignorant. Don't give them exactly what it is they don't want to see happen to their favorites.

And once again, I am VERY aggravated with that crowd that use their hate of this character, and probably others, to justify how overboard and extreme this went. To me that's no less offputting than what the people at Fresh actually allowed to happen.

Yes, favoritism and bias played a part in a LOT of places. This case being one of the most glaring given how manufactured it was. Okay, there was mention recently of Courtney's list comment in I See London which I had forgotten about, but that still does not matter, it doesn't undermine the offense we're talking about here, a trend that has served to bring her down and others like her down. And you know what? It's been thoroughly expended. After this, there should be NO further reason to exploit this nasty downward spiral. Are we just gonna continue getting the same BS and outcomes with the same people, the ones accused of bringing them down? No, that should not remain the status quo. Now that they have taken it this far, it's time to get serious about stopping it. We've seen far too much of this already, you know what I'm saying? All it does is antagonize an already bad situation.

Yeah no kidding about Cameron, no way he survived for any other reason other than favoritism. Which is exactly why Zoke is so despised for having lasted so long without good cause, am I right? And way to bring up such unfunny moments from the past by recycling them here, you guys running out of ideas? You really just gonna make things worse for yourselves by piling on the abuse? They don't see it as such, but they are only hurting themselves by trying to justify it when clearly, they have confused abuse for slapstick. They have to know better than this. And the circumstances make them all the worse.

I know, toss them over a waterfall in what should've killed them? Again, this isn't slapstick, they're playing the wrong sort of tastelessness as funny. I really don't care for Gwen anymore, but this was pushing it. And imagine all the fans of Scott who felt he was cheated must feel having seen this. The only guy almost everyone liked in this clusterf***.

Oh man, I agree wholeheartedly. The day this b*****d suffers will be one long overdue and one for rejoice.

Oh I know, of course. Personally, I'm not fully convinced though and I have to be positive they're not misinterpreting us or twisting our words for their own ends or temptations. We need an understanding no matter what it takes to establish it. And I still have a lot to say to make sure they get it. Since now the actual producers are talking to us. Can't have any misconstruing of our words at all. I'm just doubling up to be safe if I can help it.

Sorry for the long reply, hope to touch base with you later when you can reply back. Whenever you're free again, my friend I'll be here.