Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141008061648/@comment-24152851-20141013023420

You can't imagine my shock when I got spoiled that Sugar got 3rd place, even Sugar fans thought she'd be fodder, I was vouching for her to be 2nd out.

Once I was conflicted over how I felt about Chris, with him sometimes getting to me, but as of TDPI finale I officially hate him. I completely agree. I always viewed Courtney and Gwen as the most heavily derailed character in TDAS, and their derailment started long before anyone elses. I personally feel Courtney was at her best before Emilie Claire-Barlow took over (I love her as a VA though), but as soon as she came on Courtney became noticeably more aggressive and bossy. I don’t think it had anything to do with Emilie herself, but it still marked the coincidence. I think the problem with Courtney was she had more time with her derailed persona than her original persona. So to many people, her derailed persona seems to be the real thing. But I’m really ticked at all of the fake redemptions they keep putting her through. Can’t they ever leave her alone?

Irrelevant statement: Are you censoring the word “piss”? I’m pretty sure that word is allowed here.

I’m really sad Gwen has lost her goth girl persona (cold on the surface, but kind underneath). And in TDAS she has a dream of f***ing unicorns! TDI Gwen got traumatised from listening to the music in No Pain No Game. This is one of the big problems I had with TDAS Gwen. While TDI Gwen kept to herself and was careful of who she let into her life, TDAS Gwen just jumps into friendships which didn’t even get an episode to develop. You may recall I said I wasn’t fond of Cameron and Gwen, well that’s mainly because there were just certain types of people who TDI Gwen would usually be annoyed at (Party Guy’s, Nerds, and Heather), they should have had at least one bloody episode for Gwen to observe Cameron and see something likable, rather than just randomly pairing them because their the “good villains”. I liked the Gwen and Courtney friendship in TDWT. I seem particularly fond of those friendships built from mutual hatred of Heather (Gwen and Leshawna, Beth and Lindsay), but Mr. Delinquent had to come along and wreck it.

I really hate how haters pair things for convenience. Cameron had no reason to be there at all. He could have still had his friendship with Zoey in the post-merge episodes, but that crap with Mike and his disorder was not needed. No, scratch that ... it SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED AT ALL!!! What happened to the brilliant TDI girl trio? Why can’t they come up with that level of quality anymore? I thought Cameron had the best development in all of ROTI, only rivalled by Dakota (but we all know what happened afterwards, that had to wreck it all). TDAS should have been about moving characters forward, not back. I thought the natural step for Cameron was to give him a love interest, since every nerd before him had one. It’s the natural step to his development in ROTI. But come TDAS they went and undid all that development, and they actually put Cameron back in his bubble that he had already developed out of! They’re now officially labelled the “Terrible Trio” or the “Toxic Trio”.

I think I had guessed that Mike was only brought back simply to make him the screenhog, and where Mike went Zoey follows. It’s so stupid how TDAS had practically been labelled as their season before airing. I absolutely loved Commando Zoey, it was what really made me notice her. She had one of the best lines ever: "Sorry pal, better luck next life." I never got why “bland” characters are treated like Hitler, and I still think a huge reason for her hatred was from Mike. If he wasn’t there then they wouldn’t accuse Zoey of being insulting feminism (how she jumped into Mike), and haters keep on mentioning that “oddballs” thing. I did see that axed script *SIGH*, I think many mentioned they would have rather had a Commando Zoey VS Mal finale.

Well, Zoey returning would receive a fair share of backlash that’s just short of Mike’s. He is much worse off, but if you’re concerned about the flaming they’ll get, I don’t think she’ll be much better off. Both returning are risky, that’s all I can say. Nonetheless I’m trying to campaign they give Zoey a personality. That way she may be “Rescued From the Scrappy Heap” as tv tropes puts it.

On an irrelevant note, just curious. Which team did you support in TDAS? Almost everyone I come across supported the Vultures from the start. For me, this was the one season where I didn't seem to mind which team came out on top, but slightly leaned to the Hamsters. The dumbest thing of all about Cory Doran and Mike is, they could have just made all his personalities into real characters and Cory would still be able to voice them all (other than Chester who annoys the hell out of me). I also thought an alternative was Mike could’ve been a victim of extreme-hypnosis and that each “personality” was a trance he went into. The way he breathes in really makes it seem more like a trance than DID.

Yup, I think I had already come to that conclusion about Ed MacDonald, makes perfect sense since he has no awareness about TDI Gwen. I think it’s the reason why Twinnig Isnt Everything (TDPI) was unexpectedly good for his episodes, as they were new characters who had nothing to derail.

If you don’t mind me saying, but I think we’re just repeating the same points for Bloody Sundae and the balloons now. :/

Ah of course, can always count on Terry McGurrin who had come up with other ingenuities like dumbing down Heather, and the renowned Reset Button.

I don’t like to count any character when ranking TDAS (except maybe Mike who they put so much work into making him so terrible). I actually didn’t mind TDAS Cameron prior to Ep. 5, it’s when that moving him onto the Vultures when all that BS started.

Just out of curiosity, did you always hate Duncan? Did you hate him as soon as he was introduced in TDI? Or after he started becoming an Elimination Houdini who had to kick other “expendable” characters out so he could stay longer?

Fair enough, that's a very reasonable point about her not having any individuality. I can really understand why you hate her. I only compared her to Izzy in that both of their behavior is immensely unpredictable, both certifiably insane, and their always cheerful all the time. Tvtropes classed them both as Cloud Cuckoolanders. I personally felt she was wasted by saddling her to Cody, and being an extension of his character. But I can't deny she did make me laugh a few times.

Wow, you really hated TDWT. I see where your coming from now, that's completely understand, and I respect your opinion. Seems you're particularly sensitive about derailments. Well, I'm certainly not happy about derailments, but more or less every season except TDI would have had some. I personally I don't pin individual derailments on the season itself, esp. if it was just 2-3 characters who were unfortunate that time round. I just view that as being “not that character's season” as a matter of speaking. TDAS is an exception of course, which was a whole season dedicated to derailment. I usually judge the season as a whole, rather than honing in on the one rotten tomato in the sack. I also consider how memorable the season was, and for TDWT the singing really helped.

Btw, could I ask what was the second best season for you? Just a wild guess I'd say it's ROTI?

While TDWT certainly had countless problems (only an idiot would deny that), but so did practically every season after TDI.

For me, TDA was a much worse case than TDWT. It gave me far more to frustrate over then things I enjoyed, and I sure as hell was not happy with all the crap they pulled: Trent and #9, Courtney's lawyers, Owen being the mole, Harold and Lindsay not making it to final 4, and Justin who's tied with Sugar for worst villain ever. For ROTI, I think you've probably grown tiresome of the things people use to bash that season: Dakotazoid, Multiple Mike, Team Killer, and for quite a few; SHA-moron). I didn't hate the season anywhere near as much as most, in fact I don't think I hated it all (other than the above mentioned issues). So my point, stacking all the seasons together. Yeah TDWT had problems, but I'm not sure it specifically had more problems than any other season (except TDI).

Just my take on it. I agree it probably does deserve to be called overrated. Though I think the singing plays a huge part in its popularity, as it made the season stand out as special amongst the other seasons.