User blog comment:Freehugs41/Dear Total Drama Wiki,/@comment-1363526-20110327062058/@comment-1204060-20110327062820

Ryan was not involved either, if you recall. He was not notified until long after all of the other admins. And, with all other demotions I have seen, users have been given some form of warning. I was given none. Thus, that would be still considered totally behind my back. Ryan was involved, but not until the very end. The same was the story with Lizcat, I believe.

Now, the council is nowhere near a "jury." The total different lies in the fact that juries do not vote members of themselves out of said jury. Council can, however, though it makes perfect sense for a member to be there for the discussion if they wish to do so.

And, if it wasn't intended to be an under-the-table secret, why was the voting placed on another obscure hidden wiki page?