Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141228235252/@comment-1037137-20141229112511

I wanted so badly for it to happen without any stupid catch or anything, we get that too much all for the sake of drama that is forced or doesn't make sense, I like to see a few genuine character-building/character-repairing moments come into play and actually be played straight. That shouldn't be considered too much to ask for, there's no shortage of drama in this series. In TDWT it was coming along brilliantly. But Duncan killed it, and that remained a definite sore point for a lot of people, those of us who dislike TDWT are probably still a minority, but I know more people these days do consider that a sticky point, what he caused between those two upon his return. That was devastating. Now there were some perfectly A-okay steps taken in those two rebuilding their relationship during TDAS for a bit, but the execution was still littered with obvious stupidities. Yeah, that scene from Regatta, for instance? Awkward as all Hell, that was stupid. But then again, look at the individual who wrote it and the obvious lack of coherency and creative control or even concern for consistency that anything in this script just screams out to us as this train wreck played out. It still astounds me how this is a finished product.

I know man, now I'm incredibly aggravated at how it played out. Her friendship with the Trio was not well placed, not well established, and took too much liberty with herself in making it happen. I actually didn't mind her friendship with Cameron, but I did NOT appreciate moments like her kissing Cameron because it blew up into a silly craze over the two being potential lovers, and again it felt inappropriate in the context of that episode, which is probably the big problem with her relationship with all three on a whole....Inappropriate within the contexts of each episode. Seeing how sickeningly sappy they all were when the rest of the cast was actively suffering or derailed. I did not mind her friendship with Zoey, but that got REALLY sappy really fast. This was before I became very critical of Zoey as a character, when I was still in hot water for defending her. Now I'm majorly P.O.'d at how it was abused to the point where their friendship took complete priority over the reconciliation Gwen was just getting done with: What a f***ing LOAD. And Gwen had no real meaningful interaction with Mike, that also was a major load. And you are absolutely right, she just slid into that fourth slot with ZERO effort or purpose at all. By the 12th episode, they killed off her purpose and by the finale she was strictly window dressing, a standee like the other "helpers" and nothing more. Again, incredibly unfair to the rest of the cast who were sent off to face an uncertain and uncalled for fate. And yes, nobody in the trio should've made the last four slots, they were the WORST choices for finalists in this series.

I'd say pick Brick or Dakota to round out that trio you proposed, any one of those four would've been infinitely better choices seeing how people actually do like and enjoy them and how they had more standout moments fans actually appreciate than the Trio; mostly Mike and Zoey, who are undeniably badly written at this point.

Yes, I said that. I loathe Gwuncan passionately and even I am pissed at how it broke up. When I got word that it did, I was thrilled. But then I watched the episode, and I was like "What the F***?" I was blown away by how much of a hollow victory it proved to be, barely even a blip on the radar despite all of the damage it caused for two previous seasons? After all that crap that went down to get them together? NO.....You can't do that. You can't downplay it all just like that. And I'm sure other Gwuncan haters were just as disgusted at what utter BS it was.

Yes, I do mean that monstrosity of an episode as well. I was FURIOUS over what that episode did to both of them, demonizing one character out of the blue for no other reason than as a means to an end to get her booted, and making the other an equally unsympathetic b**** in the process. Both of them were horrible, both were deplorable in their actions I thought and I'm still extremely bitter that both were sent out on such loathsome notes that will not be answered for for quite a bit of time to come still. That episode, makes you wonder if someone in the studio has an anti-Courtney vendetta that has been ongoing for some time, we all saw what the writers were doing with that episode, but for me it only succeeded in making me lament her treatment, and Gwen's treatment all the more while also losing respect for both with most of it being lost on Gwen's end. I know that's incredibly confusing my good friend, but I'm sorry..........I thought that episode destroyed them both and that all it did was add more urgency to the fight against these worsening derailments this show is prone to. I have nothing good to say about SMS, that episode is just mean-spirited trash, Stryzzar. And I'm very angry that such an episode was put out.

Again, you don't build up a story like that over an entire season with genuine development only to destroy it out of the blue. For no discernible purpose in the long run, I mean that was one of the lowest blows they ever pulled. It stirred up a Hell of a lot of anger before Wreck-ening and its reset button had seen the light of day.

The Bold and the Booty-ful is the subject of near-universal hatred in the fandom, and Gwen's treatment is one of the main reasons why. She was just an unlikable, unsympathetic, and brainless idiot who again was dumbed down just for the finale's sake and well they had already made a thorough mess of her beforehand, so why not add acid to the wound? She deserved to lose that episode if that was the low she was brought to as a character. They had utterly destroyed any purpose or entertainment value she had. Among Gwen fans and non-Gwen fans alike, this episode will remain one of the most loathed in the fandom.

Wreck-ening is just a flat-out insult. This was like taking a piss on everything people loved about the show, like they wanted to insult as many as possible as their big grand finale. And Gwen doesn't do squat to redeem it. I don't know man, but I didn't appreciate her attitude throughout the episode, or anyone's attitude for that matter after that infamous moment took place. Like the image of her bragging about hitting Heather with a pole in the confessional..........I just want to wipe that pathetic smirk off her face, it just seemed to dignify how much the episode was getting off on how it got away with the cruel acts it pulled. And again, by that point Gwen as you said was reduced to a complete waste of time. TDI Gwen has been thoroughly sodomized.

I REALLY needed to man, and I thank you for hearing me out on all of it. It kills me as an old Gwen fan to be brought to this point where I've begun to hate her. Those foolish writers.......