Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20150111211426/@comment-1037137-20150131050947

Hardly perfect when you actually look deepr than their surface, and just what unhealthy extremes they resorted to to stay together and how much it's their sole defining trait and focus for the whole of their run. I mean even if they are somehow compatible, it does not excuse how astonishingly flawed it is or how misleading it is down to its very nature and the nature of its "development". The fact that they love each other may be all that some kids need, but to continue making excuses or outright ignoring the problems with them when they've been reiterated time and time again by so many circles........They're definitely not just ignorant to the problems, I genuinely think a lot of them are deliberately ignoring them, deluding themselves into believing it was actually working to the advantage off the series rather than against it. They're the ones I cannot stand, I don't care how young some of them are. Some are old enough to understand why ultimately, in the end, it was counterproductive to both characters and the show, and why they came off as offensive and flawed in their development, and yet they still defend it zealously. Personally, I'm happy I'm no longer a part of that fan following. TDPI will keep fans around for a while, but even with that it changed nothing. People have still continued to brand TDAS as a major misfire for every reason repeated since its conclusion, and so it remains fresh in the fandom's conscience; which will make it all the more difficult for the studio to try to ignore the issues as they seemed content to do in past seasons.

Total Drama is still a great idea and it deserves far better than what it's recently put out, so I hope they are serious about not provoking the fandom again as they did with TDAS, that's something I'm quite certain they're never going to hear the end of for a lot of the most obvious reasons. Should be serving as a wake up call that if they're going to remain attached to this project, then they need to treat it with a bit more seriousness. I want to see Total Drama come back doing what made Island so satisfying and lifting itself and its characters out of the hole they've fallen in to. A great idea that was once done so well when it was new and fresh cannot continue to be wasted like this. To quote TheMysteriousMrEnter: "Nothing is sadder than wasted potential".

Well I guess that ploy worked for some, but not enough to drown out a heavily incensed adult fandom that does not appreciate the turn things eventually took in the effort to suck that particular crowd in. Hell man, even with my deeply ingrained cynicism against the series at that point in time, I was not prepared for how far they were going to take it with Zoke through the course of the season. I braced myself for the worst that could possibly happen if this season suddenly took a nasty turn like TDWT did, but I was NOWHERE NEAR prepared and caught completely off guard by what this season would stoop to, especially with the onset of the unholy trinity. No amount of mental preparation could've readied me for that nightmare.

Worse, everyone else was a f***ing prop in this season, literally so when Wreck-ening came on, all to pave the way for Zoke, an overly glorified pairing that was undeserving of such a zealous treatment. You are so right in how it was all for Zoke, no attempt to hide that was made. Personally, I hate SMS more, I was horrified by the lengths they went to to destroy Courtney. Booty-ful also outraged me to no end like it does to you, as Gwen has for too long been on a downward slope. But her role in Wreck-ening right now really has me hating on the character bigtime, and she used to be my undisputed favorite. I can't really explain why I feel angrier about Courtney's derailment more than Gwen's as both were cast in an increasingly unsympathetic light, it's very difficult for me to explain, bro. But it probably is for the reason you just stated, she was developing swimmingly only to get robbed of redemption AGAIN, while Gwen was already a complete disaster now that I look back on it, and yet they obviously still wanted us to root for her right along with MZC. Whatever the reason, and regardless of them, you'd better believe I am furious at how out of control the derailment of both characters have become and how they've both contributed to the toxicity of the series, as they are by far the worst instances of all the derailment to take place on Total Drama. Which is especially maddening because they were so much better back in the day, far too good for this kind of venomous writing.

Oh I'm with you there, Stryzzar! Those are three episodes that should not ever be justified or dignified, there is nothing to enjoy or defend about those three episodes and may theit bad reputation eventually be known to everybody so that they won't dare repeat such a mistake. A repeat of the trinity is absolutely unacceptable, as is leaving us with the mess that remains from them.

Fair enough, that's a reasonable stance, man. Even at that though, I won't be rushing to their defense either, I still don't think they're qualified to continue taking part in the screenwriting process nor am I particularly optimistic in their commitment or ability to improve so even if I'm not making calls like that either, I'm still going to be critical of their approach and attitude towards this franchise as well. If the fandom has to step in to clarify what has been going wrong, then so be it. If they're not going to wise up to it themselves. Somebody has to be the first to do so.

Perhaps, Laurie Elliott was the only writer who seemed to be trying through this entire damned thing. Or at the least, her episodes were nowhere near as bad as the rest. Suckers Punched was legitimately decent, Food Fright was okay, Obsta-Kill Kourse was kind of messy but inoffensive.

That's a given for sure, the others truly did not care how bad they put off their fans with their episodes. The Unholy Trinity should never have come about and that will remain testament to how out of control these writing habits had lack of priority have gotten. That was where the series all but died, and we ought not let them forget why they were so heinous. It's solid evidence that works in favor of the fandom's case against this direction. More like a bloodstain on the series.

I hope so Stryzzar, I really hope so. This series has far too many bad episodes to its name, it doesn't need anymore such episodes.

Great idea, you do that man. You know the best approach.

Good, I wanted a second opinion on whether it was reasonable to ask them why such an elimination method was allowed into the show. Sure, it's not surprising that Total Drama cooked that up honestly, but that's the problem, isn't it? And here's the second problem, who ever asked to see something like that? You treat the characters like crap, then treat them literally like crap? The Flush made for some of the most unpleasant moments in the show's whole run, and seems an especially dangerous means of exit, not made any better by those crappy exclusive clips. Yeah, I'm going to get to the bottom of that one, because simply put it was not the least bit funny. I'm glad you think it's a good question to inquire on.

A crossover between casts is a great idea but when they actually bothered to put it into action, it was executed extremely poorly. Those interactions were by far the most nonsensical and amounted to some pretty piss poor results that did no favors to any of the involved characters. And you're right, their villain redemptions haven't been worth jack in any of the attempts at it. Gwen's been badly marred by her growing involvement with the trio and Scourtney's stupidity is self-explanatory.

I know Scott's a guy without much social etiquette, but come on. Flirting with a girl while eating off her hair? That'd be considered pretty unhealthy behavior in most places. Her reaction when he did that was totally appropriate. I do not like what he was implying, saying she "cleaned up real good" right after taking a bite of the gruel caked on her person.

Oh you make an excellent point there, that's also where relationships like Gwuncan and Duncney fail miserably. But Scamy is a very legit idea that hopefully will see realization and cancel out this nonsensical pairing that we saw play out.

Wonderfully summed up! That's all exactly what makes her derailment especially disgusting and why it's legitimate to say she's been derailed in a big way, a complex multilayered character has been explored in all the wrong ways and barely expanded beyond an aggressively misguided flanderization that has not worked in her favor anymore than such an act has worked for anyone else's character. I'd love to explore more of her character and see her really develop in a way where we're not constantly falling back to the villanous vibe of her hotheaded edge that as you and I both know was badly received when it actually did culminate in villain status during TDA. If it was a bad move back then, it's still a bad move now, as fandom consensus helps to indicate. Sure some enjoy her villainous edge..........Okay, I guess, but there's no denying the extremes of the flanderization that has taken place to drag her to that point, at the expense of more genuine development that keeps her fiery edge while also balancing that out with her more noble nature forgotten after TDI/TDWT. That balance is the one we need to see restored to Courtney, as that was where she was at her best and was still infinitely more entertaining, likable and relatable without putting the masses off or coming off as too much. Indeed, her more aggressive edge gotten taken way too far, when there was never a need to go that crazy with it in the first place, you could've kept her edge just fine while allowing her redeeming traits to remain prominent, as they were very good and important redeeming traits back in the day. She used to be one of the more noble ones when she started out.

It was definitely bias and favoritism that played a role in the destruction of her and other characters. Can't let up on our calls to see that end with her and the others, these guys are too good for this kind of writing that drags them deeper down the abyss with each season. TDAS is where it has to stop.

Because nothing good can ever come of pure and literal crap. So much about the Trinity reflects on the attitude of the crew as they cobbled this together, doesn't it?

Excellent idea. *Thumbs Up* Let the truth be known and widespread.