Thread:Stryzzar/@comment-1037137-20141017070841/@comment-24152851-20141018085349

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That still ponders me to this very day. Almost everyone hates Owen these days, and Sugar is basically Owen minus anything that’s remotely likable about him (like his friendship with Noah).

I think TD sold itself as a show which liked to have life threatening things that wouldn’t be possible in real life, but that got taken way too far, and these days he doesn’t even get his seasonal karma anymore. It's one of the reasons why I enjoyed Bridgette and Geoff hosting the Aftermaths, it made a nice change from Ax-Crazy Chris.

It’s like they over focus on the characters because they love them, but don’t give them the love they deserve. I’ll check out your DA submission in due time. I often wonder if the VA’s willingly read a lot of the crap their given out, or they go along to avoid being fired. I know Dan Castellaneta (Homer Simpson), has been known openly refuse to read material that makes Homer too excessively cruel. I wonder why our VA’s can’t do the same. I think the main issue with Courtney was, her derailed persona felt like her real persona, and her original one felt like a brief OOC, I don’t necessarily agree with it but that’s how it seems to be. As for her continual derailment, that would still be Mr. Ed “Anti-Courtney” McDonald.

Yep, that’s the Gwameron point I was trying to get through a while back, I just didn’t phrase it really well back then. It just felt really OOC on Gwen’s part, I just could not bring myself to like it.

Courtney and Gwen was such a great pairing in TDWT, and they covered each others weaknesses so well, but then Duncan comes along. It got even worse in TDWT (even before Bloody Sundae), as Ed Macdonald turned into a lesbian relationship (I’m talking about You Regatta Be S***ing Me). As for the Gwen toss-up, I still say that was Chris being a douchebag.

Well I think Julie said Mike was "universally hated", because of the avalanche of flaming they got on their social media pages, remember this: https://www.facebook.com/thefreshchannel/posts/10152161018323147?comment_id=29492635&offset=0&total_comments=4# He did have one purpose, to be Mal’s first clueless victim and start his reign of Villain Stu-ing. But yes, after having the most developed ROTI character backtracking into that aimless wandering is so infuriating. If Ed MacDonald really loved Cam that much he shouldve spared him all that pain, otherwise he should just keep that Cameron cardboard cut-out in his own room.

The TDI trio was so brilliant, I loved how Leshawna was all protective of Bridgette, and cheered Gwen up with the prospect of revenge. Bridgette and Gwen is such a great contrast, and such a perfect friendship, it was so realistic in that the friendships wasn’t flawless but they always find a way to work it out. I did find two other friendship that went back to TDI standards with Dave and Shawn, and Jasmine and Samey, not quite as good but still fairly enjoyable.

I’ve given up defending the trio, esp. Mike who has nothing to defend (except maybe that he didn’t want to have a disorder, but it’s still weak). These days I just say the characters were so much better off if they weren’t in that trio to begin with. What were they thinking randomly pairing three nice characters together, with very little contrast between them to keep thing lively, and centering it around Mike’s disorder.

Commando Zoey was what made those final 2 episodes before the finale enjoyable, and Team Killer finally had what it was coming to him. Who gives a drab if it was god-playing?! Though I guess it wouldn’t hurt to give some explanation as to why she can do it, just to shut the haters up. I think I’ve lost my interest in Zoke, it really was the most rushed, and unrealistic relationship of all, done solely to appease the younger fan base. And as you said, it’s very unhealthy.

Well I haven’t done anything big at the moment. Haven’t done much other than commenting on Fresh social media, but trying to stand out amongst the haters by saying something like “please give Zoey a personality, it hurts to see her get so much hate”. I’m still working on ideas tbh, but sure feel free to join in.

Well rumor is, Ed’s gone. So not sure what that holds for the future, but that’s done and dusted.

No worries, I understand. They most certainly shouldn’t exist.

I read that Terry’s trademark style of writing is dumbing down a character in their elimination episode, to justify why they’re out. Seems to fit the trend: Lightning, Heather, Cameron. Not sure I want to know what RR holds, he really should stick to voice acting, might have made Topher slightly tolerable if he did.

Yeah I don’t know what to feel about Duncan anymore, I should probably drop him in my rankings though. Apparently Doey is a really popular ship lately.

No argument there, even Sierra fans acknowledge she sucked in TDAS.

It’s alright, I do understand your hate for TDWT now. I said this before, I hate having characters being left on a sour note and being thrown out afterwards.

That’s why I just added TDAS as a Franchise Killer on Tv Tropes.

I think ROTI didn’t have much derailment because everyone was new, so there was very little to derail. They just have difficulty with maintaining characterization across seasons it seems. But I’m still fine with ROTI.