Thread:Fedora Kid/@comment-2091662-20141218114510/@comment-2091662-20141230202000

"Lol, you try to discredit the "Fan Favorite" award because it's simply "how much the audience likes you," when the jury vote is basically the EXACT same thing - it's how much the jury likes you. And again, both votes are technically supposed to be made based on who played the best game, but come on - which of the two groups is more likely to see all possible sides of the season, and thus, how EVERYONE played the game? The audience. Which group is more likely to be biased due to their eliminations, and thus more bitter, as well as "in the dark" about certain aspects? The jury."

The jury saw more then we did. They all knew which moves Russell made, he kept slamming those moves in their faces. And yes, the Jury can vote for whoever they want to vote, if you actually read Survivor Samoa interviews, they all admit that Russell is not playing to win, he's doing horrible things behind the scenes and just plain creepy. He's a terrible, terrible player.

"And you keep saying Russell is just SUCH a terrible player - then how did he make it to the final tribal council twice? In a row? And don't say it's "because he was a goat." Just because you lost doesn't mean you're a goat."

He is a terrible player, making to the final tribal council means nothing if you don't have a chance to win. In Samoa, he was never going to win, all of the jury (except the two that voted for him) disliked him and they would not vote for him. In HvV, his game was a joke, it was textbook game of how not to win Survivor, the only reason he made it far is because nobody saw Samoa, which is an amazing advantage. The game is most importantly social, and Russell doesn't have any social game.

"That's like saying Colby is a goat because he lost in Australia, or Lisa and Michael lost in Philippines. Sure, there are PLENTY of goats that get dragged to the end, like in One World or Caramoan. But failure to win =/= being a goat." This is stupid, Colby played a fantastic game but lost because he couldn't morally vote out the bigger jury threat, he wasn't dragged as a goat, really. Lisa and Michael were the "goats", and they were draggin the winner with them, if they brought Malcolm, he would have won. If they would've brought Denise -- and they did -- she would have won -- and she did. Russell is a goat because he votes out every person that he CAN beat and treats the jury like crap. Sandra and Parvati both knew they would beat him.

"Russell formed alliances, found idols, won challenges, made plans, and orchestrated eliminations. He certainly did far more than Natalir W. ever did, she just turned out to be more likable because she's a hot blonde girl - and yes, I admit that Russell's probably not nearly as likable to a jury as he is to the viewers."

Russell formed alliances...? Good for him, and good for Natalie to be part of that. Found idols is pure luck, not skill. Won challenge, good for him then. Made plans -- being a jerk was his plan, and he only orchestrated the Kelly/Laura blindside, and it barely took any skill (He flushed an idol which made for great TV but it wasn't an amazing move, I'll give credit to Russell for flipping John but really it makes John more of an idiot for flipping.)

What do you want Natalie White to do? She stroke Russell's ego so he would take her, she knew everybody disliked him and that she would beat him, there's nothing else she needed to do.

"But to say that Natalie was better than him just because of supposedly being behind the Erik blindside (which, again, she wasn't) is idiotic." Natalie was better because she won and because she had better social game, and she was big part of the Eric blindside, if you think Russell was behind that move you're delusional/have a short memory cuz Russell did nothing but losing potential jury votes in that episode.

"And again, this isn't just your typical Russell fanboy here - I've made similar arguments for Parvati being robbed in HvV and Coach being robbed in South Pacific, but it seems to me that you all agree with those, since you keep instead flying back to bashing on Russell and Russell alone. By your logic, both Coach and Parvati must suck as players." Parvati and Coach weren't robbed, I love them but they weren't robbed, both of their games were solid runners up games, I'm not saying they're terrible players, but they went to the end with somebody who was more well liked (Parvati), or admitted to his lies (Coach went with Sophie).

The goal of the game is to win -- not to play for the cameras or anything, Russell is a sh**y player who will never win -- he needs to change his strategy. He also never watched the show before he came onto Samoa (He only watched Micronesia).

The goal of the game is to get to the last day, and win, that's the only goal.