Thread:Fire Eater/@comment-1037137-20140121052431/@comment-1037137-20140205225241

Wow, covered a lot of ground on this thread.

So hard. I mean it's just ridiculous and insufferable at times. When people come around to hang or talk, they should not have to face the threat of constant flame bait and raving being flung left and right across the room like mad over such petty stuff that is being done solely for the sake of keeping the same word-for-word bashing going on around the clock. I mean essentially a lot of what is going around is heated, uncompromising biases that leave zero room for any real debate or middle ground. And the meaning of whatever's being discussed is lost as a result of those rampant biases, to the point where it really is just a bunch of hollering, hollering that doesn't really accomplish anything but getting people riled up for the sake of riling people up. I mean, a lot of it does come off as provocative whether that's intentional or not. Unfortunately, a lot of the provocative things I see repeated around here do seem deliberately so. That's no atmosphere for anyone wanting to have a rational debate over what in the show failed and what didn't. I do get pretty sick of the stubborn biases I see always floating around making it difficult to really talk to anyone on an objective basis about whatever's being talked about. Just too much flame baiting seems to go on.

Well it's Action and World Tour they still owe us for the most, I think Revenge did pretty decently compared to the other three, but either way the show has a lot to make up for and it hasn't even begun to do so. I really did think All-Stars was going to make up for at least some of it, but it's clear that that was a lie as they made it seem like that that was exactly what they were doing, and then completely trashed it all without sense or purpose by the end. What they did accomplished NOTHING. This was the most inconsequential, most worthless season of the lot for it set out to accomplish certain things but threw it all away in a heartbeat and didn't care what fallout would result of it. This seemed deliberately designed to let us down in a big way, and no show should be allowed to get away with that. And if it really did only get completed in a few months, well then that's even worse. But even if that's true, there's no excuse for what we got, there was no need for all that crap in the season, particularly what we got in the final three episodes, even if the season's production was rushed that should not have been allowed in there. All of it is the work of a crappy fanfiction of someone who cared no more for the necessary elements of a show than the actual producers did. This is not just rushed, this season was put together with wood, glue, and complete indifference. They just didn't care what they were patching together, I certainly don't get the sense that they really gave much thought to what they were doing or what backlash it might get.

Laughing that they are so evil?

It's not too late to redeem those characters, but it needs to be in the hands of writers who actually give half a damn about what they're doing. These characters were well-liked for a reason a long time ago and there's no reason to have made them so loathsome and controversial as time went on. To see them constantly abused like this every time they return is infuriating, especially when they get the most focus even as equally liked characters have been languishing offscreen. And they're just making it more difficult to bounce back from all of this crap when they've had ample opportunity to make up for it. I will not tolerate these characters being reduced to drama dogs, and I won't sit quietly while the others languish either. Dakotazoid wasn't really so bad but it's time to revert her back to normal. Feral Zeke was never ever funny and that needs to stop immediately.

Exactly, you need all of those moments, you need the touching moments and the positive character development to balance with the drama, conflicts, and comedic suffering, there's no reason to shortchange one for the other. It can't work to either extreme, you need that balance, the balance TDI had. If you don't have that, then what kind of balance do you have? This show was not all about drama and conflict, there was a time where we just as invested in the friendships and developed (As opposed to contrived) romances in the series, and we need all of that, as you said the heart behind all of that, to return to really get this show back on track with what it once was.